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hey this is Sean and this is Jay and

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we're going to talk about flying saucers

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flying suckers

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foreign

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my brother what's up what's up that I

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love the I love the intro that's great

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thank you very much I haven't changed it

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in a while so I thought it was a bit

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overdue

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um yeah and I wanted to do something a

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little more pretty

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you know it's pretty sounding it's very

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pretty and it sounds very pretty too did

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you just uh did you just do the music

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recently or is that an old track of

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yours no no yeah I put that together a

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couple hours ago maybe sick that's

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awesome yeah oh man that's how I do it

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last minute

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I love it flying by the seat of the

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pants yeah but I haven't been really

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inspired to do the music thing in a bit

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and this morning I was by the lake in

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the car

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and I don't know it just hit me like I

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wanted to do something with strings and

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some piano so just do that together it's

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beautiful nice work yeah um happy

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holidays

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too and to everybody in the chat thanks

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for hanging out by the way absolutely

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100 percent

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I see a lot of great people over in that

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chat it's wonderful to see you all and

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we have a couple two wonderful guests

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helping us celebrate the holidays and uh

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and have a good conversation today

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um let's see first we have uh a amazing

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film director he's also a licensed pilot

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a Pianist uh he's worked as an actor and

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the stagehand uh he's basically done

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every job that any young boy wants to

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grow up and do I think maybe except for

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like playing baseball or something but

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we'll ask maybe he's done that too we

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have Randall Nickerson great to have you

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on the show today Randall wow thank you

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yeah thank you I did play football

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how am I not surprised that's amazing

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yeah and I tried out for my high school

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football team uh but it was like 90

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degrees and I was in pads and stuff and

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I was like I'm I'm not doing it

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and we also have today uh the host of

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disclosure team UK also one of our

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favorite boots on the ground researchers

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that always manages to have the coolest

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kicks in the field Vinnie Adams it's

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great to have you here today hey guys

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happy holidays good to see you Rhonda

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always a pleasure happy holidays yeah

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good to see you you got the coolest

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kicks oh wait something funny like

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because I can never see below

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your chest really so that's interesting

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to me I mean I yeah I mean I've I'm I'm

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a Vinnie Adams Super Fan and I've scoped

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some some you know there's been plenty

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of shots of Vinnie at the conferences

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and things like that over in the UK and

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I've admired and with phenomenology

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season one there's some really cool

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kicks on there I uh I didn't mean to

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blow up your spot I'm sorry I don't mean

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to over hype the kick strain but yeah

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it's all good man I pride myself on my

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you're doing I think it's really

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important for the the spread of

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uh just the knowledge to everybody

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um on this world that there's something

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actually really going on I just wanted

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to say that I really appreciate what you

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guys all of you are doing

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thanks man thank you and feeling's

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completely Mutual I mean it it takes a

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dedicated and strong person to Trek all

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you know a small place in Africa and do

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what you were doing and make that entire

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film which is you know incredibly

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beautiful and I can't wait to hear about

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how everything is gone for you after its

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um but yeah all I do is turn on the

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camera and talk live and jibber jabber

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but you actually made a plan that took a

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long time and executed it flawlessly

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it's thank you for what you're doing

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yeah we make our contributions like you

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know different people make their

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contributions to uh move this forward

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appreciate that there's

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good people out in this space now

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just it just seems to be elevated

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because of the Pentagon and you know

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just slight disclosure whatever you want

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um where they're saying that these these

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things are actually there so

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yeah and Vinnie's has also done an

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amazing job too with boots on the ground

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investigations you'll have to check that

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out right when you have a chance it's

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beautifully made the music's beautiful

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um yeah it's good people out in Columbia

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investigating the lights out there they

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did one season already it's great

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they're doing another one I can't wait

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to see how that goes

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that I couldn't do is is walk up those

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freaking mountains man I'm so out of

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shape I'd be like I can't do it man

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it was definitely uh challenging but

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when you've got such a great team around

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you and you will push each other and you

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know it gets you to the top and you know

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we needed to do it we did it as a team

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and yeah it was so worthwhile and you

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investigation just really benefited us

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doing it in the dark which is going to

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be fun oh beautiful beautiful

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um now as both of you are have been uh

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boots on the ground researchers out in

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the field doing investigations Randall

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you know the the aerial phenomenon movie

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going out to Africa to shoot that Etc

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that wasn't your first this wasn't by

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any means your first investigation

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field for many years

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um you know can could you walk us

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through like going back going back in

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time I mean you've been doing this for

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investigations or something that really

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was pivotal to you in terms of of

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getting out there and and doing the

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research yourself

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snowmobiles so I kind of you know in my

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something it's like I need to go there

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and actually see the place and actually

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assessment you know what I mean so the

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ranchers around and I try to you know I

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just went I wanted to know the people

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this at that point I was taking written

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interviews and then I uh wrote a paper

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and then the second one was the Phoenix

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Lights and that same thing went out to

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and they're like yeah I know what really

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on John Mack while he was alive and we

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months before he passed away and then I

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Hopkins which is uh we're going to be

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that because it's it's about 16 minutes

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fascinating man and um

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like John I mean he he led John Mack

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into this phenomena and uh

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with uh you know that this was more than

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just seeing these objects in the sky

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that things happened in between you know

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he was really pivotal and so was David

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forward on now and I have two others

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that I'm currently doing one another one

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um but uh so yeah I've got a lot of

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money to pay back to people which I'm

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we haven't hit uh Lex Friedman

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that we're releasing on a platform that

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platforms hopefully that should help

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um but I need to get out of debt and to

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uh to to carry on these other projects

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but I have not sat still and I won't I

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other interviews when I'd hear about

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somebody who had a sighting or had a had

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an encounter

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and went to those people's homes and I

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an interview on the radio over in Africa

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and people would email me or call me

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tell me your story

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um so that's the other project and um

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really interested in doing something for

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the community or whatever you for people

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on the different the different phenomena

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lanterns military aircraft you know how

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meteorites delete you know just the

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different things you see in the sky so

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I've thought of doing the same thing man

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like exactly and I have

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uh like videos of the cell phones

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footage of lanterns I I got fooled by

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mylar balloon recently

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um so I have that and um yeah and I have

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something that's pretty I think

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I can't I don't know what it is

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and it's pretty bizarre so and yeah I

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mean I've seen everything in the sky

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since my initial like experience or

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whatever I can't stop looking at this

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guy when I'm out there and I've seen

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just about everything at this point

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um

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yeah it takes a while yeah I don't know

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to learn this guy you know my mind and

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uh a lot of people don't look at the sky

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very often so no they don't they're not

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familiar with just how many satellites

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there are up there or how do they behave

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um you know

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there's it's just I just that's a kind

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of I want to help and yeah that's

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interesting that you've had that thought

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uh to help uh educate the public so they

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can identify and not

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basically not be reporting things that

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are uh

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you know Venus or you know

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sure

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because you're right when you're for

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when you first start looking at at the

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sky you can get full pretty pretty

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easily you know actually

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um like whether it's an oncoming plane

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you know approach light the approach

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light looks very creepy as especially

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the lower it is you know but then you

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start seeing the blinking lights and

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everything so yeah I just think that'd

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be a great idea because you see a lot of

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rerun type of videos too online where

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it's like

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I can't fight every battle but that's a

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mylar balloon or you know whatever but I

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only know that because I've been through

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it you know so yeah somebody sent me one

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last year and

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he was convinced that this was uh you

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know a UFO and I'm like no that's a

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mylar balloon blowing around in the

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street

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I mean because I've seen it before and

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uh videotaped it before and

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uh anyway but that stuff happens and you

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know uh I I guess the hard part for a

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lot of people initially is like jumping

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to conclusions

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sure like even when I uh see something

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I I get my initial you know oh that was

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you know that was interesting that was

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weird and then I I kind of wait a little

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while and re-watch it and like all right

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let's tear this thing apart and look at

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all the satellite tracks or air traffic

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activity listen to the radios

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um

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and and then sort of takes about three

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months to make a decision on a clip for

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me

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um

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and there yeah there's more and more

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Absolutely I'll have to send you one or

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two I'd love to be great I love that

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yeah for sure

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um now Randall you were just mentioning

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you're just mentioning uh an early

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investigation in Roswell and I believe

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Vinnie you're going to be traveling to

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Roswell is it your is it going to be

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your first time in Roswell New Mexico

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next year

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yeah absolutely I mean I'll I'll just

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caveat this with saying we're sort of 99

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sure that it's happening I'm basically

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doing a talk at the conference and we're

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in the final stages of actually booking

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the flights to get me out there in

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person to you know to visit them the UFO

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Mecca where it started for a lot of

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people and yeah

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I just uh it's a dream come true I'm

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going I just decided if you're going I'm

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going

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all right traveling across the country

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I'm going to that

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oh that sounds fantastic

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oh my gosh oh man now now I feel the

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peer pressure I feel like I have to go

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all right

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that'd be so fun yeah because you know

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there'll be people there the people that

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live there in Roswell so I'll be able to

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just avoid the the tourist trap and just

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get shown the kind of important

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locations and and you know

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sort of shown what to look at what to

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visit and what to avoid kind of things I

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just I'm just so so excited yeah

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like the farmers and different people on

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ranches like they were just so honest

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you know and everybody around there I

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mean that I talked to and I talk to a

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lot of people they were like you know

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this really happened

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and I was you know I was open-minded at

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the time about whether it did or not and

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uh

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was convinced when I came back

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by the People by the people who live

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across the street

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yeah I I can't help but think about like

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uh in today's age with uh disclosure

402
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whatever you want to call it or you know

403
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the recent news the ndaa was passed

404
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today which is awesome so that UFO

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language got passed in the legislation

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today so we can celebrate that a little

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bit

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um but I always can't help but but think

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back to Roswell and

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how seemingly close actually how

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disclosure like legitimately happened

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for that one day where all the

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newspapers were running the story you

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know I just today founded her to the

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original radio news broadcast of it and

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um you know I close my eyes and I'm

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thinking of that time and I'm like wow

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these people must have been going out of

419
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their minds like hearing this stuff on

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the news and you look at the newspapers

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like leading up to the Roswell event

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like a day before two days before some

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papers had full page spreads of many

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different UFO sightings coming in you

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know to to their offices that they're

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writing in the paper so there's this

427
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huge buildup of all this stuff and

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people don't know what's going on

429
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everybody's seeing and reporting

430
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something and then the paper says it's

431
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real we recovered it radio broadcast

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says it's going to Wright-Patterson and

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they're expecting it soon and all this

434
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stuff like wow I can't imagine that

435
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happening now you know like we get one

436
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blurb from Eric Davis about him briefing

437
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somebody on you know something off world

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and you know we have to argue about if

439
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he's telling the truth or not you know

440
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but it but it's just so crazy that uh

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we're right there and then they just

442
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scaled it all back and said nope it's a

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weather balloon you know

444
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it's just crazy but I can't help but

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think of that in the the times we're in

446
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now you know the the different

447
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you know parts of History where it

448
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seemed like we we're going to get some

449
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sort of disclosure even if you want to

450
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go to the Condon committee or or

451
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whatever you know I'm sure a lot of

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people were very hopeful at that time

453
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that some truth was going to come out

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about the situation you know the way

455
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they were broadcasting it as top

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scientists in the in the country are

457
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looking at this and they took it took a

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while to come up with something just for

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it to be a dud but you know I I hope

460
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I really hope that this time is

461
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different you know I hope it turns out

462
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different I hope there's more respect

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involved at the very least you know

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um because we we

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I don't think anyone really deserves

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anything but but if we did deserve

467
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something it would be the truth on this

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so yeah

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yeah I think the holding back of the

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truth has uh

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heard our path and our our human

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evolution

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I really do because when you step when

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you pull truth away from

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uh

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the truth always is going to come back

477
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maybe 50 years 100 years later but boy

478
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when you when you don't share it with

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the rest of the people

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um it I think it creates well if you

481
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don't know the truth you can't live in

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it

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and so I think a lot of

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exactly a lot of actual kind of harm

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happened because of that truth that

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a few people knew and I cannot kind of

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understand the decisions they made at

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the time

489
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I wrote a 15-page paper of like okay

490
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what would I have done

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you know if that happened to me and I

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was in charge of that unit you know in

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charge of that whole

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um

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recovery process and and scientific you

496
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know bringing it to scientists uh

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I'd be thinking about what you know I

498
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wouldn't immediately jump to let's tell

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everybody

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especially at that time period

501
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uh yeah right after World War II an

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interesting process because I didn't

503
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know how I would put myself in the

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situation and started writing and it

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ended up being 15 pages

506
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kind of wouldn't made it have made the

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same decisions but then 53 what was the

508
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um Robertson panel that's the one that

509
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really kind of

510
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I don't like that one no that that's

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terrible and you look at the old like

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CIA has plenty available on the lead up

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to the Robertson panel and you can

514
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oh I got all those documents sure you

515
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can really piece it together because it

516
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started in the actual IAC and they're

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the ones who actually came up with the

518
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idea to put it together a panel than the

519
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CIA actually implemented it but you know

520
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they're they're talking throughout the

521
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documents like we don't want anyone to

522
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know that we're behind this yeah you

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know

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um and so it's yeah very very very

525
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secretive and you know you look at the

526
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actual report and there's

527
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there there were moments of Truth you

528
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know like the only guy who actually

529
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studied the UFOs for you know Blue Book

530
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and in the Air Force Dewey fournette was

531
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the one who said that I Ruled everything

532
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out but the Extraterrestrial origin like

533
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that's the only thing left I don't know

534
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what else to say and they just it nah

535
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you know

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not doing it sorry sorry boss yeah you

537
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know so yeah it's uh

538
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yeah uh I spent a lot of time on that

539
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specific area of of UFO history so you

540
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know I don't want to bore you guys but

541
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but there's uh there's a lot to it and I

542
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would love to talk to somebody about it

543
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sometimes so

544
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yeah

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I'm sorry go ahead

546
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no no you go it is an interesting

547
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history

548
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um

549
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when you look at the where you know

550
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it started way before that but you know

551
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that it's just interesting how

552
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we uh as a species kind of evolved to

553
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you know to deal with it I think it

554
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probably came in at an appropriate time

555
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um

556
00:23:07,130 --> 00:23:05,159
uh but yeah it's it's

557
00:23:09,289 --> 00:23:07,140
we'll be reading about it 100 years from

558
00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:09,299
now how this all went down

559
00:23:15,049 --> 00:23:12,480
um 100 makes sense

560
00:23:18,070 --> 00:23:15,059
no speaking of that kind of History you

561
00:23:22,610 --> 00:23:18,080
know Randy you've been really deeply

562
00:23:25,190 --> 00:23:22,620
embedded in many ways and kind of the uh

563
00:23:27,830 --> 00:23:25,200
anomalous studies researcher Community

564
00:23:29,810 --> 00:23:27,840
if you will like especially you know on

565
00:23:32,750 --> 00:23:29,820
the east coast and otherwise

566
00:23:35,390 --> 00:23:32,760
um with pivotal figures like John Mack

567
00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:35,400
but Hopkins Leslie Kane many other folks

568
00:23:41,090 --> 00:23:38,880
like that and you have been you know you

569
00:23:42,590 --> 00:23:41,100
used to live you know you live close to

570
00:23:45,230 --> 00:23:42,600
here right now but you used to live in

571
00:23:48,230 --> 00:23:45,240
the city around some of these folks and

572
00:23:50,690 --> 00:23:48,240
so you know here we are in December of

573
00:23:53,330 --> 00:23:50,700
2022 it's it's five it's kind of like

574
00:23:56,510 --> 00:23:53,340
the five-year anniversary of Leslie and

575
00:23:58,010 --> 00:23:56,520
Ralph's uh big front page article that

576
00:23:59,570 --> 00:23:58,020
kind of blew the doors open and brought

577
00:24:02,870 --> 00:23:59,580
us into the chapter that we're in right

578
00:24:04,970 --> 00:24:02,880
now and it's also been an incredible

579
00:24:09,230 --> 00:24:04,980
year for you with this movie coming out

580
00:24:11,210 --> 00:24:09,240
you know what how did you think you know

581
00:24:13,430 --> 00:24:11,220
25 years ago

582
00:24:15,529 --> 00:24:13,440
um as as like a young researcher around

583
00:24:17,450 --> 00:24:15,539
here and knowing these folks did you

584
00:24:21,370 --> 00:24:17,460
ever think that you we would get to this

585
00:24:25,490 --> 00:24:21,380
point we are at now and it's kind of no

586
00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:25,500
no I I had figured that I'd be long dead

587
00:24:29,690 --> 00:24:27,360
and gone by the time

588
00:24:31,310 --> 00:24:29,700
this actually came came out I felt they

589
00:24:34,370 --> 00:24:31,320
were gonna keep it

590
00:24:36,289 --> 00:24:34,380
you know quiet for as long as possible

591
00:24:38,930 --> 00:24:36,299
and I felt the only time they would drop

592
00:24:40,210 --> 00:24:38,940
the car I'm talking about essentially

593
00:24:45,049 --> 00:24:40,220
the military

594
00:24:47,210 --> 00:24:45,059
uh would be when with there there was no

595
00:24:49,010 --> 00:24:47,220
other option like there were so many

596
00:24:51,470 --> 00:24:49,020
things going bad they had to drop this

597
00:24:54,850 --> 00:24:51,480
card I honestly think that's what we're

598
00:24:57,289 --> 00:24:54,860
seeing you know because we have so many

599
00:25:00,909 --> 00:24:57,299
difficulties in this world right now and

600
00:25:04,310 --> 00:25:00,919
challenges climate change War you know

601
00:25:06,350 --> 00:25:04,320
uh that if there was any time that to

602
00:25:08,510 --> 00:25:06,360
use it it makes sense to me that that

603
00:25:10,970 --> 00:25:08,520
this would be the time

604
00:25:12,830 --> 00:25:10,980
you know and slowly they're not going to

605
00:25:14,330 --> 00:25:12,840
just tell you tell everybody everything

606
00:25:15,950 --> 00:25:14,340
because it's just way too over

607
00:25:20,630 --> 00:25:15,960
overwhelming

608
00:25:22,610 --> 00:25:20,640
so it's dished out slowly

609
00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:22,620
yeah yeah what do you think Vinnie do

610
00:25:28,669 --> 00:25:25,200
you think you'd ever you'd ever see that

611
00:25:31,909 --> 00:25:28,679
in legislation passed for you know the

612
00:25:34,970 --> 00:25:31,919
U.S Congress to investigate UFOs

613
00:25:37,250 --> 00:25:34,980
no I didn't and I'm quite I'm always

614
00:25:38,570 --> 00:25:37,260
positive about these sort of things I

615
00:25:41,930 --> 00:25:38,580
think you know that makes me think of

616
00:25:43,490 --> 00:25:41,940
sort of 2013 with the citizens hearing

617
00:25:45,350 --> 00:25:43,500
on disclosure what's you know with

618
00:25:47,149 --> 00:25:45,360
Stephen Bassett and a whole host of

619
00:25:49,789 --> 00:25:47,159
people in that that setting for I think

620
00:25:51,110 --> 00:25:49,799
it was five days I might be wrong and

621
00:25:52,730 --> 00:25:51,120
that was really exciting you know these

622
00:25:54,529 --> 00:25:52,740
mock hearings about what it would be

623
00:25:57,409 --> 00:25:54,539
like and I was like this is incredible

624
00:25:59,510 --> 00:25:57,419
imagine this in reality you know in

625
00:26:01,130 --> 00:25:59,520
front of Congress and then it kind of it

626
00:26:02,810 --> 00:26:01,140
was a great event don't get me wrong but

627
00:26:04,490 --> 00:26:02,820
then you know it sort of patted out over

628
00:26:06,649 --> 00:26:04,500
a couple of years and that was it and

629
00:26:09,710 --> 00:26:06,659
there was no more talk of

630
00:26:11,390 --> 00:26:09,720
anything like that gonna happen in in

631
00:26:13,070 --> 00:26:11,400
the government so of course it was just

632
00:26:15,049 --> 00:26:13,080
like okay we're back to the normal kind

633
00:26:17,090 --> 00:26:15,059
of the way things have been going for a

634
00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:17,100
while which is fine people are still

635
00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:18,720
plugging away doing their thing and that

636
00:26:22,490 --> 00:26:20,880
was you know I was fascinated with it

637
00:26:24,169 --> 00:26:22,500
just as much but it felt like we just

638
00:26:26,570 --> 00:26:24,179
had that little you know

639
00:26:28,430 --> 00:26:26,580
push and it disappeared so of course

640
00:26:30,049 --> 00:26:28,440
now that it's happening

641
00:26:31,789 --> 00:26:30,059
yeah it's mind-blowing and it's

642
00:26:33,529 --> 00:26:31,799
incredible and it's even you know it's

643
00:26:35,630 --> 00:26:33,539
this is the third year in a row I

644
00:26:38,450 --> 00:26:35,640
believe now where the ndaa has contained

645
00:26:40,070 --> 00:26:38,460
UAP language and each year it's getting

646
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:40,080
bigger and better and more

647
00:26:44,510 --> 00:26:42,480
they're pinpointing more things so that

648
00:26:47,630 --> 00:26:44,520
you know these military branches and

649
00:26:49,669 --> 00:26:47,640
agencies can't avoid it that much longer

650
00:26:52,610 --> 00:26:49,679
because they're really honing in

651
00:26:54,830 --> 00:26:52,620
on the truth I think anyway and so I'm

652
00:26:56,149 --> 00:26:54,840
yeah of course I'm excited and today was

653
00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:56,159
just a good day to hear that everything

654
00:27:02,810 --> 00:27:00,240
finally got signed by Biden so yeah it's

655
00:27:05,810 --> 00:27:02,820
it's a weird world it's definitely a

656
00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:05,820
weird world uh for me personally as I'd

657
00:27:13,430 --> 00:27:09,360
never paid any attention uh to UFO stuff

658
00:27:15,649 --> 00:27:13,440
uh until you know I had my sighting you

659
00:27:17,330 --> 00:27:15,659
know seriously pay attention to it like

660
00:27:19,010 --> 00:27:17,340
um the first thing I ever saw was Fire

661
00:27:21,470 --> 00:27:19,020
in the Sky when I was a kid and my dad

662
00:27:23,690 --> 00:27:21,480
rented it and that scared the crap out

663
00:27:26,510 --> 00:27:23,700
of me I like the movie but that like

664
00:27:29,269 --> 00:27:26,520
that shook me and I didn't pay any

665
00:27:31,010 --> 00:27:29,279
attention to to that stuff

666
00:27:33,230 --> 00:27:31,020
um and then I I started to watch

667
00:27:35,210 --> 00:27:33,240
unidentified a little bit with uh Lou

668
00:27:36,830 --> 00:27:35,220
Elizondo I thought that was intriguing

669
00:27:39,710 --> 00:27:36,840
because it highlighted the New York

670
00:27:41,090 --> 00:27:39,720
Times story in those videos and picked

671
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:41,100
my interest a little bit and then I

672
00:27:45,409 --> 00:27:43,440
happened to have my own uh set of

673
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:45,419
encounters within a few days of each

674
00:27:47,630 --> 00:27:46,320
other

675
00:27:50,149 --> 00:27:47,640
um that just

676
00:27:52,789 --> 00:27:50,159
you know and then that dream came true

677
00:27:54,350 --> 00:27:52,799
that I had like a a dream come true in

678
00:27:58,250 --> 00:27:54,360
the middle of it and that just kind of

679
00:28:00,130 --> 00:27:58,260
like shook me and put me on this odd

680
00:28:02,870 --> 00:28:00,140
path of doing

681
00:28:05,390 --> 00:28:02,880
streams and talking about UFOs and

682
00:28:08,510 --> 00:28:05,400
learning everything there is to learn

683
00:28:11,330 --> 00:28:08,520
about it constantly and

684
00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:11,340
it just doesn't make any sense to me but

685
00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:13,919
uh I'm here and I'm you know I don't I

686
00:28:19,310 --> 00:28:17,039
don't fight it you know I'm just just

687
00:28:21,409 --> 00:28:19,320
going with it this is the the course

688
00:28:24,110 --> 00:28:21,419
that that life put me on for whatever

689
00:28:26,870 --> 00:28:24,120
reason you know I don't know why but um

690
00:28:28,370 --> 00:28:26,880
yeah it hasn't been easy but so I'm a

691
00:28:30,049 --> 00:28:28,380
little lucky I guess is what I'm saying

692
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:30,059
is I haven't had to pay attention to

693
00:28:34,549 --> 00:28:32,880
this topic for decades and and just you

694
00:28:36,310 --> 00:28:34,559
know

695
00:28:39,950 --> 00:28:36,320
kind of

696
00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:39,960
deal in the shadows almost you know

697
00:28:45,769 --> 00:28:43,440
where you don't have an authority to

698
00:28:48,110 --> 00:28:45,779
that's kind of legitimizing you to a

699
00:28:49,850 --> 00:28:48,120
certain extent you know

700
00:28:52,669 --> 00:28:49,860
um and so you're kind of mocked the

701
00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:52,679
whole time basically

702
00:28:55,909 --> 00:28:54,720
um so I was kind of Lucky to come in at

703
00:28:58,730 --> 00:28:55,919
the right time when things were

704
00:29:01,130 --> 00:28:58,740
happening you know I can't even imagine

705
00:29:03,110 --> 00:29:01,140
what it's like but but you know I often

706
00:29:04,850 --> 00:29:03,120
think about the people who studied UFOs

707
00:29:06,830 --> 00:29:04,860
their whole life whether it's you know

708
00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:06,840
James McDonald or

709
00:29:11,870 --> 00:29:10,080
you know uh Frank Edwards or whoever it

710
00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:11,880
is you know and passing away with

711
00:29:17,090 --> 00:29:14,159
without any transparency or answers and

712
00:29:20,330 --> 00:29:17,100
I you know my my heart really uh breaks

713
00:29:21,769 --> 00:29:20,340
for them at times so and I'm not you

714
00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:21,779
know saying necessarily we're gonna get

715
00:29:27,289 --> 00:29:24,000
the answers or anything but we're as

716
00:29:29,570 --> 00:29:27,299
close as as we've ever been as far as I

717
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:29,580
can see so

718
00:29:35,029 --> 00:29:33,120
100 and along those lines in terms of in

719
00:29:37,130 --> 00:29:35,039
terms of like the researchers that have

720
00:29:39,830 --> 00:29:37,140
passed and didn't get you know weren't

721
00:29:42,110 --> 00:29:39,840
able to see uh at this point it reminds

722
00:29:43,789 --> 00:29:42,120
me and thinking and I kind of keep

723
00:29:46,250 --> 00:29:43,799
coming back to this but I can't help it

724
00:29:47,570 --> 00:29:46,260
because we're you know Vinnie and Sean

725
00:29:50,090 --> 00:29:47,580
and I are kind of of a younger

726
00:29:52,430 --> 00:29:50,100
generation and you know we missed a lot

727
00:29:55,730 --> 00:29:52,440
of these these key people that that you

728
00:29:58,130 --> 00:29:55,740
had such a a key and close relationship

729
00:29:59,630 --> 00:29:58,140
with Randall and so I'm I'm wondering

730
00:30:01,669 --> 00:29:59,640
you know I've got some other questions

731
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:01,679
about field research especially at

732
00:30:04,669 --> 00:30:03,360
international field research and we can

733
00:30:08,810 --> 00:30:04,679
come back to that but I'm just wondering

734
00:30:11,269 --> 00:30:08,820
like what do you think do what do you

735
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:11,279
miss what do you think that we have now

736
00:30:16,250 --> 00:30:13,200
in terms of like the research community

737
00:30:19,010 --> 00:30:16,260
in terms of like ufology research in

738
00:30:21,470 --> 00:30:19,020
terms of our research Community overall

739
00:30:23,570 --> 00:30:21,480
what do we have now that you didn't have

740
00:30:25,970 --> 00:30:23,580
back in the 90s and what do you miss

741
00:30:28,430 --> 00:30:25,980
most about kind of

742
00:30:32,090 --> 00:30:28,440
um their early years is there you know

743
00:30:34,250 --> 00:30:32,100
how about that yeah yeah that's a good

744
00:30:36,950 --> 00:30:34,260
question uh well the what I appreciate

745
00:30:38,269 --> 00:30:36,960
now about what I see in the research

746
00:30:41,090 --> 00:30:38,279
Community because I've been out of it

747
00:30:42,289 --> 00:30:41,100
I've been making movies and just most of

748
00:30:44,149 --> 00:30:42,299
the grindstone

749
00:30:45,950 --> 00:30:44,159
and not really paying attention to what

750
00:30:47,930 --> 00:30:45,960
everybody's been doing and when I came

751
00:30:50,090 --> 00:30:47,940
back on the scene this year

752
00:30:53,389 --> 00:30:50,100
I'm like oh my God I can't believe how

753
00:30:55,490 --> 00:30:53,399
far it's come and the level of people

754
00:30:59,269 --> 00:30:55,500
military people

755
00:31:02,810 --> 00:30:59,279
agency people fvip I mean you name it

756
00:31:05,330 --> 00:31:02,820
and or people with multiple talents or

757
00:31:07,549 --> 00:31:05,340
multiple doctorates I mean that was not

758
00:31:09,409 --> 00:31:07,559
present in the early 90s I mean John

759
00:31:12,830 --> 00:31:09,419
Mack was an anomaly

760
00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:12,840
you know he was he was the first like

761
00:31:19,010 --> 00:31:15,840
ivy league guy to step out and say

762
00:31:21,350 --> 00:31:19,020
this is not this is not this is

763
00:31:24,049 --> 00:31:21,360
something real basically it's not it's

764
00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:24,059
this is not anything psychological and

765
00:31:27,529 --> 00:31:25,919
going into the deep end too not just

766
00:31:29,450 --> 00:31:27,539
talking about nuts and bolts or there's

767
00:31:31,970 --> 00:31:29,460
things in our airspace we don't know

768
00:31:34,549 --> 00:31:31,980
what it is we gotta check it out he went

769
00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:34,559
into the deep end and it was like these

770
00:31:38,330 --> 00:31:35,760
Something's Happened in these people

771
00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:38,340
going straight for the abduction stories

772
00:31:45,610 --> 00:31:40,559
not giving a crap what anybody else

773
00:31:48,350 --> 00:31:45,620
thinks like talk about uh balls

774
00:31:50,690 --> 00:31:48,360
you know they put everything on the line

775
00:31:52,430 --> 00:31:50,700
you know there's people in the UFO

776
00:31:53,690 --> 00:31:52,440
Community now that wouldn't even want to

777
00:31:54,549 --> 00:31:53,700
do that

778
00:31:57,470 --> 00:31:54,559
um

779
00:31:59,389 --> 00:31:57,480
right a step at a time

780
00:32:02,570 --> 00:31:59,399
but you know I guess it's thanks to Bud

781
00:32:04,610 --> 00:32:02,580
too so that's very much so but I mean I

782
00:32:05,570 --> 00:32:04,620
missed both of them a lot

783
00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:05,580
um

784
00:32:10,310 --> 00:32:08,159
because of the wisdom and the people

785
00:32:11,510 --> 00:32:10,320
they were studying back then most of

786
00:32:13,010 --> 00:32:11,520
these people are dead

787
00:32:15,230 --> 00:32:13,020
I mean that's

788
00:32:17,570 --> 00:32:15,240
I mean I wish they were here to see the

789
00:32:19,789 --> 00:32:17,580
the moments that are happening

790
00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:19,799
like you were saying uh in the last five

791
00:32:22,190 --> 00:32:20,640
years

792
00:32:29,450 --> 00:32:22,200
um

793
00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:29,460
Stanton Friedman chocolate like

794
00:32:37,070 --> 00:32:30,480
um

795
00:32:39,169 --> 00:32:37,080
anyway it's uh

796
00:32:41,570 --> 00:32:39,179
I mean it was a very different crowd

797
00:32:44,029 --> 00:32:41,580
back then it wasn't a crowd I really

798
00:32:46,130 --> 00:32:44,039
wanted to be hanging out with uh I did

799
00:32:47,210 --> 00:32:46,140
like to spend time with the with Bud

800
00:32:50,269 --> 00:32:47,220
John

801
00:32:50,990 --> 00:32:50,279
certain investigators and and a certain

802
00:32:53,690 --> 00:32:51,000
um

803
00:32:54,409 --> 00:32:53,700
crowd of the experiences

804
00:32:57,889 --> 00:32:54,419
um

805
00:33:00,769 --> 00:32:57,899
but today it's uh I'm just I can't even

806
00:33:02,450 --> 00:33:00,779
believe it's real like I can't believe

807
00:33:06,289 --> 00:33:02,460
like the people that are

808
00:33:08,210 --> 00:33:06,299
on the scene now it's just like wow I

809
00:33:11,210 --> 00:33:08,220
never thought this would happen

810
00:33:14,350 --> 00:33:11,220
uh that's exciting and also part of me

811
00:33:17,570 --> 00:33:14,360
is like I'm not sure if it's real

812
00:33:20,990 --> 00:33:17,580
I don't know if I believe this because I

813
00:33:23,389 --> 00:33:21,000
just never thought it would become uh

814
00:33:26,330 --> 00:33:23,399
uh uh you know it's just like any

815
00:33:27,769 --> 00:33:26,340
movement of you know civil rights or

816
00:33:29,389 --> 00:33:27,779
you know

817
00:33:31,970 --> 00:33:29,399
anything

818
00:33:34,190 --> 00:33:31,980
um it's it's it's taken so long and

819
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:34,200
we're at a stage that is a really good

820
00:33:39,889 --> 00:33:37,679
stage where after so many generations

821
00:33:41,870 --> 00:33:39,899
really of people that have been working

822
00:33:44,990 --> 00:33:41,880
on this uh

823
00:33:47,090 --> 00:33:45,000
we might be very very close for to it

824
00:33:49,250 --> 00:33:47,100
being accepted reality which changes

825
00:33:51,889 --> 00:33:49,260
everything and I think it changes it for

826
00:33:54,590 --> 00:33:51,899
the best for the better of us

827
00:33:56,450 --> 00:33:54,600
and then and at that moment we're going

828
00:33:59,330 --> 00:33:56,460
to be living in the truth

829
00:34:03,289 --> 00:33:59,340
and then we gotta go well what does that

830
00:34:04,970 --> 00:34:03,299
mean and how do we uh

831
00:34:06,169 --> 00:34:04,980
what are the what are they up to you

832
00:34:08,210 --> 00:34:06,179
know then we go for the big questions

833
00:34:09,770 --> 00:34:08,220
that you know

834
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:09,780
that are tough

835
00:34:14,930 --> 00:34:12,000
what is it where is it from what does it

836
00:34:16,970 --> 00:34:14,940
want yeah it's in my my uh my big one is

837
00:34:19,129 --> 00:34:16,980
you know what

838
00:34:21,889 --> 00:34:19,139
what are their intentions here what are

839
00:34:23,270 --> 00:34:21,899
they what's Our Fate you know in their

840
00:34:27,409 --> 00:34:23,280
eyes you know

841
00:34:31,310 --> 00:34:29,329
a little nervous about

842
00:34:34,970 --> 00:34:31,320
um but yeah there's no question these

843
00:34:36,649 --> 00:34:34,980
things are real zero it's just the I

844
00:34:38,470 --> 00:34:36,659
mean they're very bizarre they're very

845
00:34:41,629 --> 00:34:38,480
strange they're very weird

846
00:34:43,369 --> 00:34:41,639
uh in the way they do everything uh

847
00:34:45,290 --> 00:34:43,379
their technology is crazy

848
00:34:46,849 --> 00:34:45,300
don't understand it

849
00:34:50,930 --> 00:34:46,859
um

850
00:34:52,970 --> 00:34:50,940
and I can imagine if they were around

851
00:34:56,030 --> 00:34:52,980
for thousands and thousands of years

852
00:34:58,130 --> 00:34:56,040
which uh you know that I heard of that a

853
00:35:00,410 --> 00:34:58,140
lot in Africa from the Chiefs

854
00:35:02,870 --> 00:35:00,420
of different Villages

855
00:35:04,670 --> 00:35:02,880
um and uh the wise men or the witch

856
00:35:07,490 --> 00:35:04,680
doctors they said the same thing they've

857
00:35:09,230 --> 00:35:07,500
been around for thousands of years

858
00:35:11,690 --> 00:35:09,240
um I can't you know

859
00:35:14,030 --> 00:35:11,700
we're we're in a generation or we're in

860
00:35:16,010 --> 00:35:14,040
a time period of the 100 the Industrial

861
00:35:19,730 --> 00:35:16,020
Revolution essentially

862
00:35:21,530 --> 00:35:19,740
where for the first time we we can we're

863
00:35:24,589 --> 00:35:21,540
looking at it understanding our own

864
00:35:27,890 --> 00:35:24,599
technology which has evolved quite a bit

865
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:27,900
enough to say yeah that's a vehicle you

866
00:35:34,130 --> 00:35:30,960
know it's not just a a circle in the sky

867
00:35:36,050 --> 00:35:34,140
that's you know spiritual you know what

868
00:35:38,210 --> 00:35:36,060
I mean it's like no this is Hardcore

869
00:35:39,710 --> 00:35:38,220
that's Tech

870
00:35:43,370 --> 00:35:39,720
real high-tech that I don't even

871
00:35:46,130 --> 00:35:43,380
understand but but yeah I think um

872
00:35:49,730 --> 00:35:46,140
I and it was said to me

873
00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:49,740
um by several of the Chiefs that I met

874
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:52,560
with in Africa that uh

875
00:35:56,810 --> 00:35:55,200
we used to you know particularly Credo

876
00:35:58,910 --> 00:35:56,820
mutoa who passed away last year

877
00:35:59,630 --> 00:35:58,920
unfortunately

878
00:36:03,050 --> 00:35:59,640
um

879
00:36:03,710 --> 00:36:03,060
in 90 yeah he was 91 but he had said you

880
00:36:12,710 --> 00:36:03,720
know

881
00:36:14,210 --> 00:36:12,720
and uh and he he explained the process

882
00:36:18,530 --> 00:36:14,220
of

883
00:36:19,970 --> 00:36:18,540
thinking their gods and

884
00:36:25,370 --> 00:36:19,980
belief

885
00:36:28,190 --> 00:36:25,380
then finally realizing that they were

886
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:28,200
just another Creature From Another

887
00:36:33,109 --> 00:36:31,440
part of town I mean you know just like

888
00:36:34,550 --> 00:36:33,119
another animal in the woods but they

889
00:36:37,370 --> 00:36:34,560
come from that way

890
00:36:39,109 --> 00:36:37,380
so that was just fascinating I mean

891
00:36:42,589 --> 00:36:39,119
those are some of the interviews I want

892
00:36:45,950 --> 00:36:42,599
to also use and uh this next stock too

893
00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:45,960
is uh not the bud Hopkins stock but

894
00:36:50,569 --> 00:36:46,800
um

895
00:36:52,849 --> 00:36:50,579
the the the the indigenous people the

896
00:36:55,250 --> 00:36:52,859
indigenous population in Africa and what

897
00:36:57,410 --> 00:36:55,260
how they see it how long they've known

898
00:37:00,170 --> 00:36:57,420
about it

899
00:37:01,609 --> 00:37:00,180
a lot a lot longer than we have

900
00:37:03,410 --> 00:37:01,619
that really resonates with the work

901
00:37:05,470 --> 00:37:03,420
we're doing in Colombia you know the the

902
00:37:08,870 --> 00:37:05,480
light phenomena that we investigated was

903
00:37:10,910 --> 00:37:08,880
400 years recorded and then before that

904
00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:10,920
God knows how long and this is you know

905
00:37:14,990 --> 00:37:12,720
stories of the indigenous tribes and the

906
00:37:16,730 --> 00:37:15,000
indigenous people of the area and of

907
00:37:19,849 --> 00:37:16,740
course you know we've spoken to them and

908
00:37:21,890 --> 00:37:19,859
they talk about God's spirits and UFOs

909
00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:21,900
depending who you talk to and which

910
00:37:26,329 --> 00:37:24,480
generation and I I never really found a

911
00:37:28,670 --> 00:37:26,339
connection between modern sort of UFO

912
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:28,680
studies and the kind of ancient stuff

913
00:37:33,470 --> 00:37:31,200
but I feel like I'm finding that now for

914
00:37:36,230 --> 00:37:33,480
the first time in Colombia of all places

915
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:36,240
and well Colombia in in in the country

916
00:37:42,230 --> 00:37:38,640
of Colombia and South America yeah yeah

917
00:37:45,790 --> 00:37:42,240
oh good for you man that's where is that

918
00:37:52,010 --> 00:37:48,890
or is it couscous

919
00:37:54,290 --> 00:37:52,020
so I think Cusco maybe we're we're in a

920
00:37:56,450 --> 00:37:54,300
very rural area right on the edge of the

921
00:37:58,970 --> 00:37:56,460
Andean Plateau where there's basically a

922
00:38:00,349 --> 00:37:58,980
mountain where for 400 plus years these

923
00:38:01,910 --> 00:38:00,359
strange light phenomena have been

924
00:38:04,790 --> 00:38:01,920
witnessed

925
00:38:06,650 --> 00:38:04,800
um and you know nobody really knows what

926
00:38:07,550 --> 00:38:06,660
they are so we went out there last year

927
00:38:13,250 --> 00:38:07,560
to

928
00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:13,260
these strange lights on the mountain and

929
00:38:16,550 --> 00:38:14,640
then we're gonna go back out next year

930
00:38:18,829 --> 00:38:16,560
we've got a lot more high-tech

931
00:38:21,230 --> 00:38:18,839
scientific equipment lined up to take

932
00:38:24,589 --> 00:38:21,240
with us this time thermal infrared all

933
00:38:26,990 --> 00:38:24,599
sorts but we're also extra early

934
00:38:28,130 --> 00:38:27,000
no we're going my friend Ashley lives in

935
00:38:31,010 --> 00:38:28,140
Colombia we're kind of doing it all

936
00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:31,020
independently wow great so I've heard

937
00:38:34,370 --> 00:38:33,119
there are other people doing work out

938
00:38:41,630 --> 00:38:34,380
there

939
00:38:43,790 --> 00:38:41,640
a specific Lake we're going to be

940
00:38:47,510 --> 00:38:43,800
visiting next year

941
00:38:48,890 --> 00:38:47,520
um where the actual the origin story of

942
00:38:50,510 --> 00:38:48,900
um

943
00:38:53,390 --> 00:38:50,520
what's it called I had it in my head

944
00:38:55,490 --> 00:38:53,400
then just gone blank the lost city of

945
00:38:59,390 --> 00:38:55,500
gold what's it called um

946
00:39:01,550 --> 00:38:59,400
excuse me ah what's going on my head but

947
00:39:03,890 --> 00:39:01,560
yeah so these Usos were seen leaving the

948
00:39:05,030 --> 00:39:03,900
water of this Lake for many years as

949
00:39:08,030 --> 00:39:05,040
well so we're expanding our

950
00:39:09,410 --> 00:39:08,040
investigation out to that as well so uh

951
00:39:12,050 --> 00:39:09,420
yeah it's just incredible being out

952
00:39:15,109 --> 00:39:12,060
there with indigenous people and

953
00:39:19,130 --> 00:39:15,119
doing the work El Dorado thank you guys

954
00:39:21,230 --> 00:39:19,140
yeah thank you Benji in alfredo Etc yeah

955
00:39:24,170 --> 00:39:21,240
for sure along those lines it's so great

956
00:39:26,089 --> 00:39:24,180
to hear you both talking about about uh

957
00:39:28,130 --> 00:39:26,099
field research especially international

958
00:39:29,810 --> 00:39:28,140
field research and it feels like that's

959
00:39:32,210 --> 00:39:29,820
you know that's

960
00:39:35,089 --> 00:39:32,220
though that's been happening among

961
00:39:37,609 --> 00:39:35,099
people you know from South at South

962
00:39:40,430 --> 00:39:37,619
America in South America and in various

963
00:39:42,410 --> 00:39:40,440
cultures you know it it does feel like

964
00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:42,420
we're in a different moment here in

965
00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:45,119
terms of of people like the both of you

966
00:39:51,550 --> 00:39:48,960
you know going outside of your native

967
00:39:54,589 --> 00:39:51,560
culture and really trying to understand

968
00:39:56,270 --> 00:39:54,599
uh it from another perspective going

969
00:39:58,490 --> 00:39:56,280
somewhere else and you know seeing what

970
00:40:00,890 --> 00:39:58,500
resonates you know seeing how similar

971
00:40:03,230 --> 00:40:00,900
you know what's what's similar what's

972
00:40:07,550 --> 00:40:03,240
different if anything how it's perceived

973
00:40:09,230 --> 00:40:07,560
you know and along those lines uh it'd

974
00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:09,240
be great to hear a little bit from both

975
00:40:14,810 --> 00:40:11,520
of you but you know say let's start with

976
00:40:17,210 --> 00:40:14,820
venue what do you think is the most

977
00:40:20,329 --> 00:40:17,220
some of the most important or rewarding

978
00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:20,339
things for you that you've picked up in

979
00:40:27,290 --> 00:40:23,760
terms of what it means to go to another

980
00:40:29,810 --> 00:40:27,300
country and speak to people from a

981
00:40:33,829 --> 00:40:29,820
different culture about about and you

982
00:40:35,510 --> 00:40:33,839
know anomalous experiences UAP Etc

983
00:40:37,550 --> 00:40:35,520
that's a great question because the

984
00:40:40,010 --> 00:40:37,560
whole point behind the the series

985
00:40:41,329 --> 00:40:40,020
phenomenology is that it not only shows

986
00:40:44,210 --> 00:40:41,339
the work we're doing out there but it's

987
00:40:46,069 --> 00:40:44,220
how it follows our stories as

988
00:40:48,410 --> 00:40:46,079
individuals going out to a completely

989
00:40:50,210 --> 00:40:48,420
strange place in a strange culture and

990
00:40:52,550 --> 00:40:50,220
you know from the start to the end of

991
00:40:54,650 --> 00:40:52,560
the series how we sort of develop over

992
00:40:57,470 --> 00:40:54,660
the you know over the episodes and that

993
00:41:01,370 --> 00:40:57,480
so the story of of our personal Journeys

994
00:41:03,849 --> 00:41:01,380
became quite a focus as well and you

995
00:41:06,589 --> 00:41:03,859
know being able to speak to the the the

996
00:41:10,010 --> 00:41:06,599
moisture tribes and the indigenous folk

997
00:41:12,290 --> 00:41:10,020
in Colombia I mean it's eye-opening

998
00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:12,300
just it's just a

999
00:41:15,710 --> 00:41:13,920
it's just something I never thought I'd

1000
00:41:17,870 --> 00:41:15,720
be able to do it's you know I say it's a

1001
00:41:19,550 --> 00:41:17,880
once in a lifetime opportunity but here

1002
00:41:22,490 --> 00:41:19,560
we are ready to go for the second time

1003
00:41:24,410 --> 00:41:22,500
and it's it's unbelievable and it's also

1004
00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:24,420
the fact that in those areas it's every

1005
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:25,920
day

1006
00:41:30,050 --> 00:41:27,599
speak out there they talk about it

1007
00:41:32,329 --> 00:41:30,060
without any fear of stigma or ridicule

1008
00:41:34,730 --> 00:41:32,339
it's just casual conversation people

1009
00:41:36,530 --> 00:41:34,740
were coming up to us wanting to tell

1010
00:41:37,970 --> 00:41:36,540
their stories and you know I don't walk

1011
00:41:40,130 --> 00:41:37,980
down the street here in the UK with

1012
00:41:41,930 --> 00:41:40,140
people wanting to tell me their UFO

1013
00:41:43,790 --> 00:41:41,940
stories and things like that so it was

1014
00:41:45,470 --> 00:41:43,800
completely different to anything I've

1015
00:41:48,410 --> 00:41:45,480
ever been a part of or used to

1016
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:48,420
conversation wise and in person so yeah

1017
00:41:53,089 --> 00:41:50,160
it was just amazing that maybe we can

1018
00:41:55,069 --> 00:41:53,099
get to that point in in sort of the US

1019
00:41:57,410 --> 00:41:55,079
and in Europe without that conversation

1020
00:41:59,270 --> 00:41:57,420
does become acceptable

1021
00:42:01,010 --> 00:41:59,280
um and less stigmatized and I feel like

1022
00:42:04,569 --> 00:42:01,020
we're getting there so that was kind of

1023
00:42:06,410 --> 00:42:04,579
what really stood out for me I think

1024
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:06,420
Randy

1025
00:42:20,810 --> 00:42:14,210
um

1026
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:20,820
uh uh uh there was very little if any

1027
00:42:25,730 --> 00:42:22,800
stigma

1028
00:42:31,310 --> 00:42:27,470
uh

1029
00:42:33,890 --> 00:42:31,320
be

1030
00:42:36,770 --> 00:42:33,900
in a world where it's not the Super

1031
00:42:39,349 --> 00:42:36,780
technology world and you know a lot of

1032
00:42:41,210 --> 00:42:39,359
people in Africa spend their nights

1033
00:42:43,310 --> 00:42:41,220
outside they're not sitting in front of

1034
00:42:46,550 --> 00:42:43,320
a TV they're out on in front of the

1035
00:42:48,010 --> 00:42:46,560
rundavo watching the Stars

1036
00:42:52,910 --> 00:42:48,020
um

1037
00:42:57,530 --> 00:42:52,920
yeah I uh I found it uh refreshing to be

1038
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:57,540
honest because I was talking to a cheat

1039
00:43:01,730 --> 00:43:00,240
I was with a chief or her son and uh I

1040
00:43:03,950 --> 00:43:01,740
forget that we were standing outside

1041
00:43:06,770 --> 00:43:03,960
looking in the stars and

1042
00:43:09,050 --> 00:43:06,780
and I asked him I said well so what do

1043
00:43:12,349 --> 00:43:09,060
you do you think they're out there and

1044
00:43:15,770 --> 00:43:12,359
he's like you know it's just of course

1045
00:43:18,970 --> 00:43:15,780
like his he you know he was like why

1046
00:43:25,010 --> 00:43:23,270
and oh man there's so many times um with

1047
00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:25,020
so many different

1048
00:43:33,710 --> 00:43:30,349
that uh

1049
00:43:35,930 --> 00:43:33,720
it gave me a different perspective and

1050
00:43:37,750 --> 00:43:35,940
it was really interesting to hear how

1051
00:43:40,490 --> 00:43:37,760
much they knew about them

1052
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:40,500
how much how they knew how they moved

1053
00:43:44,510 --> 00:43:42,960
they knew they'd come in groups they

1054
00:43:46,910 --> 00:43:44,520
don't you'll never you're very very

1055
00:43:49,970 --> 00:43:46,920
rarely see one or that that's what they

1056
00:43:51,770 --> 00:43:49,980
say they they have partners

1057
00:43:53,089 --> 00:43:51,780
and they don't leave those Partners they

1058
00:43:55,130 --> 00:43:53,099
stay in a group

1059
00:43:57,470 --> 00:43:55,140
and um

1060
00:44:01,849 --> 00:43:57,480
some of the observations because I've

1061
00:44:05,630 --> 00:44:01,859
I'm aware of how these things go down

1062
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:05,640
uh they were so right on and they had

1063
00:44:11,210 --> 00:44:08,880
observed it and uh you know speaking of

1064
00:44:14,089 --> 00:44:11,220
Usos there were quite a few when I was

1065
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:14,099
there in um Africa it's happening over

1066
00:44:21,050 --> 00:44:18,240
there on the south coast Durban

1067
00:44:23,569 --> 00:44:21,060
um things coming in and out of the water

1068
00:44:26,990 --> 00:44:23,579
yeah that kind of interested me that

1069
00:44:30,050 --> 00:44:27,000
wasn't my goal at all but that's what I

1070
00:44:31,550 --> 00:44:30,060
was Finding quite a bit when um because

1071
00:44:35,809 --> 00:44:31,560
that part of

1072
00:44:37,910 --> 00:44:35,819
South Africa is is uh

1073
00:44:40,190 --> 00:44:37,920
there's a lot of Coastline there

1074
00:44:41,450 --> 00:44:40,200
and there's like a deep trance right off

1075
00:44:44,690 --> 00:44:41,460
the coast

1076
00:44:46,309 --> 00:44:44,700
and and it kind of comes up more to the

1077
00:44:47,930 --> 00:44:46,319
surface but uh

1078
00:44:50,329 --> 00:44:47,940
yeah I really would love to spend more

1079
00:44:51,290 --> 00:44:50,339
time with the Aborigines

1080
00:44:54,109 --> 00:44:51,300
um

1081
00:44:56,030 --> 00:44:54,119
and uh I did spend some time with the

1082
00:44:59,770 --> 00:44:56,040
Hopi and the

1083
00:45:03,890 --> 00:44:59,780
the Navajo uh

1084
00:45:05,930 --> 00:45:03,900
and um and there's also uh indigenous

1085
00:45:09,290 --> 00:45:05,940
people in in

1086
00:45:12,589 --> 00:45:09,300
Quebec or north of Quebec and also up in

1087
00:45:13,569 --> 00:45:12,599
Alaska I'd love to speak with them too

1088
00:45:17,329 --> 00:45:13,579
um

1089
00:45:20,510 --> 00:45:17,339
but yeah it's an adventure to to to come

1090
00:45:23,329 --> 00:45:20,520
from a little town you know in the

1091
00:45:26,750 --> 00:45:23,339
country to go over to

1092
00:45:28,430 --> 00:45:26,760
Africa of all places uh wow what a

1093
00:45:32,450 --> 00:45:28,440
different world it's just such a

1094
00:45:34,010 --> 00:45:32,460
different world but I really loved I

1095
00:45:37,809 --> 00:45:34,020
really love the people the ones that

1096
00:45:41,390 --> 00:45:37,819
weren't trying to kill you yeah

1097
00:45:43,510 --> 00:45:41,400
unfortunately it was true uh but but the

1098
00:45:47,690 --> 00:45:43,520
people were really beautiful

1099
00:45:50,210 --> 00:45:47,700
and uh the beauty of having what we

1100
00:45:52,069 --> 00:45:50,220
would consider so little yet that

1101
00:45:55,130 --> 00:45:52,079
they're so happy

1102
00:45:57,530 --> 00:45:55,140
I was just gonna say like I bet even

1103
00:45:59,450 --> 00:45:57,540
though you know they sleep outside or

1104
00:46:01,430 --> 00:45:59,460
look at the stars or you know they don't

1105
00:46:03,589 --> 00:46:01,440
have as much technology

1106
00:46:06,230 --> 00:46:03,599
and that they're not just consumed by it

1107
00:46:09,710 --> 00:46:06,240
all the time I bet you find that they're

1108
00:46:10,930 --> 00:46:09,720
generally a more content you know with

1109
00:46:14,210 --> 00:46:10,940
life

1110
00:46:17,390 --> 00:46:14,220
yeah yeah totally

1111
00:46:19,370 --> 00:46:17,400
it's refreshing yeah it used to be like

1112
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:19,380
that you know I remember back when I was

1113
00:46:25,309 --> 00:46:21,839
a younger child well

1114
00:46:29,809 --> 00:46:25,319
younger child okay A Child

1115
00:46:34,190 --> 00:46:31,309
I don't know what that was it's either

1116
00:46:35,930 --> 00:46:34,200
tree fell on my garage or whatever

1117
00:46:38,870 --> 00:46:35,940
whoa the door

1118
00:46:41,150 --> 00:46:38,880
yeah I love two trees right down

1119
00:46:43,730 --> 00:46:41,160
about 100 yards from here with that wind

1120
00:46:46,910 --> 00:46:43,740
but anyway I don't know if I answered

1121
00:46:48,309 --> 00:46:46,920
your question but I I uh I tried

1122
00:46:50,450 --> 00:46:48,319
yeah

1123
00:46:52,010 --> 00:46:50,460
you did good

1124
00:46:55,609 --> 00:46:52,020
eat it good

1125
00:46:58,849 --> 00:46:57,410
what do you think

1126
00:47:00,470 --> 00:46:58,859
you know I guess this is a good question

1127
00:47:02,690 --> 00:47:00,480
for both of you

1128
00:47:05,030 --> 00:47:02,700
because you have that similarity of of

1129
00:47:06,470 --> 00:47:05,040
going to more indigenous tiberias to

1130
00:47:08,109 --> 00:47:06,480
investigate this stuff and talk to

1131
00:47:10,849 --> 00:47:08,119
people

1132
00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:10,859
what's a bit of insight that that you

1133
00:47:17,890 --> 00:47:14,400
can impart on us that you've taken

1134
00:47:20,390 --> 00:47:17,900
from those areas you know whether it be

1135
00:47:22,130 --> 00:47:20,400
you know like you said but you know

1136
00:47:24,410 --> 00:47:22,140
learn to be grateful for what you have

1137
00:47:26,270 --> 00:47:24,420
you know don't think you need too much

1138
00:47:28,430 --> 00:47:26,280
you know you could be happy with less

1139
00:47:30,290 --> 00:47:28,440
whatever it may be

1140
00:47:33,230 --> 00:47:30,300
I suppose all I would say to that is

1141
00:47:35,690 --> 00:47:33,240
just be uh less judgmental of people you

1142
00:47:37,550 --> 00:47:35,700
know if it's so widely accepted and

1143
00:47:39,410 --> 00:47:37,560
talked about in everyday life in these

1144
00:47:41,450 --> 00:47:39,420
places that Randall and I mentioned and

1145
00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:41,460
why can't it be talked about like that

1146
00:47:46,970 --> 00:47:44,160
you know in the places we live

1147
00:47:48,710 --> 00:47:46,980
if if it goes beyond someone's belief

1148
00:47:50,390 --> 00:47:48,720
system just respect that someone else

1149
00:47:52,309 --> 00:47:50,400
has a different belief system and don't

1150
00:47:54,109 --> 00:47:52,319
shoot them down for having that belief

1151
00:47:56,450 --> 00:47:54,119
system that's something unfortunately I

1152
00:47:59,270 --> 00:47:56,460
have come across a few too many times

1153
00:48:01,670 --> 00:47:59,280
and I think it's time that that just

1154
00:48:03,770 --> 00:48:01,680
eased up a bit I mean have a little bit

1155
00:48:06,349 --> 00:48:03,780
of a bit of compassion I think that's

1156
00:48:08,329 --> 00:48:06,359
one thing I definitely learned you know

1157
00:48:10,430 --> 00:48:08,339
I see a lot of a lot like Randall was

1158
00:48:13,550 --> 00:48:10,440
saying the happiness of people in these

1159
00:48:17,089 --> 00:48:13,560
places is like incredible they don't

1160
00:48:19,250 --> 00:48:17,099
they're so unmaterialistic they're very

1161
00:48:21,230 --> 00:48:19,260
very friendly and family orientated

1162
00:48:23,390 --> 00:48:21,240
which of course we all are as well but

1163
00:48:26,750 --> 00:48:23,400
it seems to just be like

1164
00:48:28,010 --> 00:48:26,760
that that is the the pure kind of where

1165
00:48:30,050 --> 00:48:28,020
they get there

1166
00:48:32,450 --> 00:48:30,060
their everyday kicks from let's say

1167
00:48:34,430 --> 00:48:32,460
whereas we you know we indulge in in the

1168
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:34,440
countries that we come from and I'm not

1169
00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:35,760
trying to preach or anything I'm just

1170
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:37,440
saying more compassion and just a little

1171
00:48:42,589 --> 00:48:39,839
bit more mutual respect would go a long

1172
00:48:45,170 --> 00:48:42,599
way at the moment hmm

1173
00:48:47,329 --> 00:48:45,180
I know this may be a little off-key but

1174
00:48:50,690 --> 00:48:47,339
well maybe not it wasn't for me it was

1175
00:48:53,569 --> 00:48:50,700
one of the most profound times I was in

1176
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:53,579
I mean it happened a couple times but

1177
00:49:00,530 --> 00:48:56,880
this particular time so

1178
00:49:03,290 --> 00:49:00,540
some of these Villages a lot of them

1179
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:03,300
bury their dead on the path to the

1180
00:49:07,970 --> 00:49:05,760
Village right on the side of the path

1181
00:49:10,790 --> 00:49:07,980
and they're above ground and they're

1182
00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:10,800
covered with dirt and stones and when

1183
00:49:15,250 --> 00:49:12,960
you walk into that Village

1184
00:49:18,890 --> 00:49:15,260
you smell it

1185
00:49:20,809 --> 00:49:18,900
and it I mean and it it's purposely done

1186
00:49:22,430 --> 00:49:20,819
there not only to honor the people that

1187
00:49:25,970 --> 00:49:22,440
have died in the village

1188
00:49:28,670 --> 00:49:25,980
but I think honestly that to smell the

1189
00:49:33,410 --> 00:49:28,680
smell that's a natural smell

1190
00:49:35,390 --> 00:49:33,420
you know of death and that was profound

1191
00:49:37,190 --> 00:49:35,400
that they did that because they could

1192
00:49:39,490 --> 00:49:37,200
have buried them anywhere and they chose

1193
00:49:42,609 --> 00:49:39,500
to bury them on the path to the village

1194
00:49:45,230 --> 00:49:42,619
and I saw that in multiple

1195
00:49:47,089 --> 00:49:45,240
uh different Villages that I went into

1196
00:49:50,030 --> 00:49:47,099
actually like did the whole dirt floor

1197
00:49:52,430 --> 00:49:50,040
thing lived in a shack you know lived in

1198
00:49:53,450 --> 00:49:52,440
a random

1199
00:50:00,890 --> 00:49:53,460
um

1200
00:50:03,650 --> 00:50:00,900
yeah the belief uh

1201
00:50:04,910 --> 00:50:03,660
I don't know if I told you but a lot of

1202
00:50:08,569 --> 00:50:04,920
the people

1203
00:50:09,650 --> 00:50:08,579
would put uh cinder blocks under their

1204
00:50:16,790 --> 00:50:09,660
bed

1205
00:50:19,010 --> 00:50:16,800
um so that these small creatures that

1206
00:50:21,109 --> 00:50:19,020
they call the takalash

1207
00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:21,119
couldn't get them at night

1208
00:50:26,030 --> 00:50:24,240
hmm yeah it was part of the movie but it

1209
00:50:28,849 --> 00:50:26,040
was a half hour section we had to take

1210
00:50:31,550 --> 00:50:28,859
out because it was just so long and it

1211
00:50:33,349 --> 00:50:31,560
was more of the indigenous culture but

1212
00:50:35,089 --> 00:50:33,359
it was absolutely fascinating what

1213
00:50:39,410 --> 00:50:35,099
people would do in order to protect

1214
00:50:41,569 --> 00:50:39,420
themselves from these creatures and um

1215
00:50:43,550 --> 00:50:41,579
that can walk through walls take you at

1216
00:50:46,069 --> 00:50:43,560
night I mean it's the same

1217
00:50:48,770 --> 00:50:46,079
lore as uh

1218
00:50:51,410 --> 00:50:48,780
alien and they they're the size of them

1219
00:50:52,790 --> 00:50:51,420
they look you know it's to me it was

1220
00:50:54,109 --> 00:50:52,800
like they're that's what they're talking

1221
00:50:56,569 --> 00:50:54,119
about

1222
00:50:59,390 --> 00:50:56,579
please let these other creatures from

1223
00:51:01,910 --> 00:50:59,400
another world somewhere yeah I believe

1224
00:51:04,190 --> 00:51:01,920
and I've been meaning to read this but

1225
00:51:06,410 --> 00:51:04,200
you know I'll get to it I've only had so

1226
00:51:11,150 --> 00:51:06,420
much time in the two years after reading

1227
00:51:14,089 --> 00:51:11,160
160 000 Blue Book documents but but uh

1228
00:51:15,650 --> 00:51:14,099
passport to megonia makes a good uh case

1229
00:51:17,809 --> 00:51:15,660
for

1230
00:51:19,970 --> 00:51:17,819
you know the these different mythologies

1231
00:51:22,910 --> 00:51:19,980
and different uh creatures possibly

1232
00:51:24,589 --> 00:51:22,920
being the same thing yeah wouldn't

1233
00:51:27,109 --> 00:51:24,599
surprise me

1234
00:51:29,450 --> 00:51:27,119
yeah yeah definitely using a very

1235
00:51:31,970 --> 00:51:29,460
similar technology you know

1236
00:51:34,790 --> 00:51:31,980
uh

1237
00:51:38,210 --> 00:51:34,800
yep yes yeah it's fascinating and and

1238
00:51:39,530 --> 00:51:38,220
just that you know it's it seems like I

1239
00:51:41,329 --> 00:51:39,540
was having a conversation with somebody

1240
00:51:44,150 --> 00:51:41,339
about this the other day which is just

1241
00:51:47,870 --> 00:51:44,160
and Sean is Bjorn hargens talked about

1242
00:51:50,690 --> 00:51:47,880
it back in October like at the first New

1243
00:51:53,690 --> 00:51:50,700
York City conference and just in terms

1244
00:51:55,609 --> 00:51:53,700
of like the necessity

1245
00:51:57,650 --> 00:51:55,619
you know that we have this kind of

1246
00:51:58,970 --> 00:51:57,660
physical based culture now we're in this

1247
00:52:02,270 --> 00:51:58,980
tech-based culture and we're Tech

1248
00:52:03,829 --> 00:52:02,280
obsessed within our Western culture a

1249
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:03,839
lot and we're talking and here we're

1250
00:52:07,010 --> 00:52:05,760
talking about how an Africa or in

1251
00:52:10,190 --> 00:52:07,020
Colombia

1252
00:52:13,309 --> 00:52:10,200
um people can get by with or have to get

1253
00:52:15,170 --> 00:52:13,319
by with much less and you know maybe are

1254
00:52:16,549 --> 00:52:15,180
differently observant than we are you

1255
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:16,559
know with all of our screen time and

1256
00:52:20,630 --> 00:52:18,480
things like this and I'm just thinking

1257
00:52:22,730 --> 00:52:20,640
like you know another situation here is

1258
00:52:25,130 --> 00:52:22,740
that we've been so obsessed with like

1259
00:52:28,069 --> 00:52:25,140
morphology when we're talking both about

1260
00:52:30,589 --> 00:52:28,079
craft and we're talking about beings and

1261
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:30,599
stuff like this and then when we talk

1262
00:52:35,089 --> 00:52:32,400
about

1263
00:52:37,190 --> 00:52:35,099
um other indigenous lore like you're

1264
00:52:39,710 --> 00:52:37,200
talking about Randall like sometimes

1265
00:52:41,630 --> 00:52:39,720
they behave the same way but they look

1266
00:52:44,450 --> 00:52:41,640
different kind of like the passport to

1267
00:52:46,010 --> 00:52:44,460
Magonia problem right and so then we're

1268
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:46,020
getting into a situation where it's like

1269
00:52:52,069 --> 00:52:49,920
are we dealing like like Gary oh wow

1270
00:52:52,930 --> 00:52:52,079
can I check on my door yeah go ahead

1271
00:52:57,290 --> 00:52:52,940
yeah

1272
00:52:59,809 --> 00:52:57,300
oh my gosh

1273
00:53:03,530 --> 00:52:59,819
I I really don't want this to be like a

1274
00:53:04,450 --> 00:53:03,540
2023 kind of kind of horror uh First Act

1275
00:53:07,309 --> 00:53:04,460
here

1276
00:53:09,109 --> 00:53:07,319
I think it's gonna be all right man what

1277
00:53:10,609 --> 00:53:09,119
a cool garage he's got going on back

1278
00:53:13,670 --> 00:53:10,619
there that looks good doesn't it I just

1279
00:53:16,609 --> 00:53:13,680
know it's all out then yeah yeah oh man

1280
00:53:18,410 --> 00:53:16,619
but that looks like quite the man cave

1281
00:53:20,270 --> 00:53:18,420
over there I'm loving it

1282
00:53:23,809 --> 00:53:20,280
um I'll wait until I'll wait until Randy

1283
00:53:26,089 --> 00:53:23,819
gets back here in a second but then yeah

1284
00:53:27,290 --> 00:53:26,099
Vinnie go ahead sorry what was your

1285
00:53:30,290 --> 00:53:27,300
favorite

1286
00:53:31,870 --> 00:53:30,300
piece of uh UAP news that happened this

1287
00:53:42,730 --> 00:53:31,880
past year

1288
00:53:47,049 --> 00:53:44,990
I should have expected this question

1289
00:53:49,370 --> 00:53:47,059
really I feel like we should touch on

1290
00:53:50,930 --> 00:53:49,380
what happened this past year a little

1291
00:53:53,030 --> 00:53:50,940
bit since it's the end of the year you

1292
00:53:56,270 --> 00:53:53,040
know whether it would be absolutely you

1293
00:53:59,089 --> 00:53:56,280
know the hearings or you know the ndaa

1294
00:54:02,569 --> 00:53:59,099
that passed or yeah I mean all of those

1295
00:54:04,370 --> 00:54:02,579
obviously coming after or whatever I

1296
00:54:06,349 --> 00:54:04,380
think everything has its you know own

1297
00:54:08,210 --> 00:54:06,359
place as a really interesting point so

1298
00:54:10,010 --> 00:54:08,220
maybe I would just struggle to pick one

1299
00:54:11,930 --> 00:54:10,020
because I'm sure I would say oh this one

1300
00:54:13,430 --> 00:54:11,940
five minutes later I'd be like oh I

1301
00:54:14,930 --> 00:54:13,440
should have said that one and you know

1302
00:54:17,329 --> 00:54:14,940
what I mean it's like so there are so

1303
00:54:19,069 --> 00:54:17,339
many but I think what it all represents

1304
00:54:20,450 --> 00:54:19,079
is the fact that we're still we still

1305
00:54:22,430 --> 00:54:20,460
have the ball rolling in the right

1306
00:54:24,410 --> 00:54:22,440
direction that's one thing I felt has

1307
00:54:26,450 --> 00:54:24,420
been stable throughout the year you know

1308
00:54:28,910 --> 00:54:26,460
the hearings were sort of May and then

1309
00:54:30,589 --> 00:54:28,920
we had things before and after so you

1310
00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:30,599
know I just hope that we just get that

1311
00:54:34,730 --> 00:54:31,440
kind of

1312
00:54:37,970 --> 00:54:34,740
uh progression going forward into 2023

1313
00:54:40,670 --> 00:54:37,980
and I I feel positive that we will

1314
00:54:42,410 --> 00:54:40,680
so he played you played the fifth as we

1315
00:54:48,770 --> 00:54:42,420
would say that was kind of the long way

1316
00:54:56,329 --> 00:54:52,609
all right are you good okay uh yeah

1317
00:54:59,930 --> 00:54:56,339
since December I've had uh numerous uh

1318
00:55:01,250 --> 00:54:59,940
private meetings with people

1319
00:55:04,790 --> 00:55:01,260
um

1320
00:55:05,930 --> 00:55:04,800
and I mean I can't believe the level of

1321
00:55:09,349 --> 00:55:05,940
people

1322
00:55:12,170 --> 00:55:09,359
that are on the scene and uh I am

1323
00:55:14,030 --> 00:55:12,180
actually pretty confident that those

1324
00:55:16,190 --> 00:55:14,040
people are going to bring it home you

1325
00:55:17,870 --> 00:55:16,200
know what I mean and really bring this

1326
00:55:19,670 --> 00:55:17,880
they're not going to stop

1327
00:55:24,410 --> 00:55:19,680
they're too they have too much

1328
00:55:28,309 --> 00:55:24,420
credibility status I mean crazy jobs

1329
00:55:31,250 --> 00:55:28,319
um so that to me I've never seen

1330
00:55:33,230 --> 00:55:31,260
I've never seen that and and can you be

1331
00:55:42,290 --> 00:55:33,240
a little more specific about who the

1332
00:55:51,890 --> 00:55:43,690
maybe guys

1333
00:55:57,470 --> 00:55:54,650
intelligence guys I

1334
00:55:58,609 --> 00:55:57,480
what were they doing there but they're

1335
00:56:00,589 --> 00:55:58,619
you know

1336
00:56:03,470 --> 00:56:00,599
I don't know it's just it was kind of

1337
00:56:07,370 --> 00:56:03,480
fascinating that uh

1338
00:56:08,510 --> 00:56:07,380
you know it wasn't they were

1339
00:56:11,870 --> 00:56:08,520
um

1340
00:56:15,170 --> 00:56:13,069
yeah

1341
00:56:19,549 --> 00:56:15,180
that's a big shift

1342
00:56:21,650 --> 00:56:19,559
do you think our government has actual

1343
00:56:24,109 --> 00:56:21,660
um you know I know that's a very generic

1344
00:56:25,490 --> 00:56:24,119
term government but do you think um

1345
00:56:28,609 --> 00:56:25,500
there's people within the government

1346
00:56:30,530 --> 00:56:28,619
that have actual you know

1347
00:56:33,049 --> 00:56:30,540
a lot more knowledge than the public

1348
00:56:34,910 --> 00:56:33,059
does as far as things like abductions or

1349
00:56:38,030 --> 00:56:34,920
these entities and beings absolutely

1350
00:56:39,230 --> 00:56:38,040
yeah absolutely

1351
00:56:41,329 --> 00:56:39,240
um

1352
00:56:42,589 --> 00:56:41,339
they've been at it for a while I mean I

1353
00:56:44,750 --> 00:56:42,599
don't I don't even use the word

1354
00:56:48,890 --> 00:56:44,760
government it's Contra it's a it's uh

1355
00:56:50,809 --> 00:56:48,900
sure it's the military really and to me

1356
00:56:53,210 --> 00:56:50,819
and everything I've learned and they're

1357
00:56:53,990 --> 00:56:53,220
contractors

1358
00:56:57,890 --> 00:56:54,000
um

1359
00:57:00,349 --> 00:56:57,900
they're under extreme like you know

1360
00:57:03,290 --> 00:57:00,359
I don't think it's a standard NDA that

1361
00:57:05,870 --> 00:57:03,300
you sign when you work on these projects

1362
00:57:08,390 --> 00:57:05,880
it's like hey if you do you know

1363
00:57:09,950 --> 00:57:08,400
the rules are pretty strict

1364
00:57:12,349 --> 00:57:09,960
um

1365
00:57:13,849 --> 00:57:12,359
and you don't talk to people about what

1366
00:57:17,930 --> 00:57:13,859
you're working on at all

1367
00:57:23,089 --> 00:57:21,049
anyway I've had the opportunity to meet

1368
00:57:24,109 --> 00:57:23,099
quite a few people

1369
00:57:26,150 --> 00:57:24,119
um

1370
00:57:28,370 --> 00:57:26,160
in the last year that I just never

1371
00:57:29,809 --> 00:57:28,380
thought I would uh

1372
00:57:32,329 --> 00:57:29,819
I just never thought that would happen

1373
00:57:35,390 --> 00:57:32,339
you know I'm glad it has that's

1374
00:57:37,549 --> 00:57:35,400
fantastic and it seems like every time I

1375
00:57:38,690 --> 00:57:37,559
go or go to something

1376
00:57:42,109 --> 00:57:38,700
um

1377
00:57:45,410 --> 00:57:42,119
I'm even more like what like when did

1378
00:57:47,150 --> 00:57:45,420
this all of a sudden change

1379
00:57:49,190 --> 00:57:47,160
um and I think it's great I don't think

1380
00:57:51,230 --> 00:57:49,200
it's I don't see a negative to it I

1381
00:57:51,950 --> 00:57:51,240
really don't

1382
00:57:55,309 --> 00:57:51,960
um

1383
00:57:58,609 --> 00:57:55,319
well bud Hopkins always used to say like

1384
00:58:01,250 --> 00:57:58,619
you know when this comes out people are

1385
00:58:03,770 --> 00:58:01,260
going to go to the two churches one's

1386
00:58:05,450 --> 00:58:03,780
the actual church to pray

1387
00:58:09,609 --> 00:58:05,460
and be with community and the other

1388
00:58:13,370 --> 00:58:12,170
that sounds about right it kind of

1389
00:58:15,710 --> 00:58:13,380
sounds about right

1390
00:58:19,430 --> 00:58:15,720
um I hope not I mean the new generation

1391
00:58:22,430 --> 00:58:19,440
of people kids you know human beings

1392
00:58:24,829 --> 00:58:22,440
um are pretty on board with they've been

1393
00:58:26,329 --> 00:58:24,839
sort of sort of like blasted with all

1394
00:58:30,950 --> 00:58:26,339
this

1395
00:58:33,109 --> 00:58:30,960
that their attitudes are much more

1396
00:58:34,970 --> 00:58:33,119
open-minded and

1397
00:58:38,329 --> 00:58:34,980
you know that generation I'm not worried

1398
00:58:41,690 --> 00:58:38,339
about it's it's the other ones the older

1399
00:58:44,270 --> 00:58:41,700
ones and are my generation and you think

1400
00:58:45,970 --> 00:58:44,280
it's maybe because there's a sense of uh

1401
00:58:49,010 --> 00:58:45,980
younger Generations

1402
00:58:51,049 --> 00:58:49,020
kind of living in fiction and what I

1403
00:58:54,890 --> 00:58:51,059
mean by that is

1404
00:58:56,450 --> 00:58:54,900
living through bones or television even

1405
00:58:58,370 --> 00:58:56,460
though you're talking to like a real

1406
00:59:02,210 --> 00:58:58,380
person or looking at a real person like

1407
00:59:04,910 --> 00:59:02,220
it's all really kind of not real still

1408
00:59:08,690 --> 00:59:04,920
you know I feel like we're we weren't

1409
00:59:10,190 --> 00:59:08,700
meant to to be living that way in case a

1410
00:59:11,750 --> 00:59:10,200
point is kind of like the more

1411
00:59:13,609 --> 00:59:11,760
indigenous type people that you that

1412
00:59:15,710 --> 00:59:13,619
you've spoken with seem to be happier

1413
00:59:18,349 --> 00:59:15,720
without it you know isn't that an

1414
00:59:21,109 --> 00:59:18,359
example of maybe we shouldn't be doing

1415
00:59:23,990 --> 00:59:21,119
all this stuff I mean it's a quote from

1416
00:59:25,910 --> 00:59:24,000
your from the movie It produced is one

1417
00:59:27,770 --> 00:59:25,920
of the messages the girl's left with was

1418
00:59:29,030 --> 00:59:27,780
you know be careful of technology or

1419
00:59:31,910 --> 00:59:29,040
you're getting to

1420
00:59:34,789 --> 00:59:31,920
uh you're developing too much technology

1421
00:59:37,930 --> 00:59:34,799
you know I'm paraphrasing but

1422
00:59:40,970 --> 00:59:37,940
um some of them that's a message yeah

1423
00:59:43,010 --> 00:59:40,980
how is this going to go over you know if

1424
00:59:45,829 --> 00:59:43,020
we get a bunch of information or or the

1425
00:59:48,829 --> 00:59:45,839
truth you know from whoever it may be

1426
00:59:50,630 --> 00:59:48,839
you know in some sort of official or a

1427
00:59:53,150 --> 00:59:50,640
real tangible way

1428
00:59:55,250 --> 00:59:53,160
if if people

1429
00:59:57,109 --> 00:59:55,260
you know are are living the way they're

1430
01:00:00,530 --> 00:59:57,119
not supposed to because I feel like in

1431
01:00:04,490 --> 01:00:00,540
the end this is really about us it's

1432
01:00:05,930 --> 01:00:04,500
about people right in in our reality and

1433
01:00:08,450 --> 01:00:05,940
our relationships with each other and

1434
01:00:09,890 --> 01:00:08,460
how we just deal with things so I don't

1435
01:00:13,670 --> 01:00:09,900
know like

1436
01:00:16,250 --> 01:00:13,680
can can we adjust you know or or should

1437
01:00:18,470 --> 01:00:16,260
we adjust to to less technology in order

1438
01:00:21,230 --> 01:00:18,480
to be able to accept something a little

1439
01:00:24,410 --> 01:00:21,240
bit more unfamiliar

1440
01:00:26,930 --> 01:00:24,420
can I say something yeah yeah I don't

1441
01:00:29,569 --> 01:00:26,940
mean to jump on anybody

1442
01:00:32,690 --> 01:00:29,579
um when I was in Africa several of

1443
01:00:35,510 --> 01:00:32,700
uh I just kept hearing it from the

1444
01:00:37,730 --> 01:00:35,520
people I would visit and uh

1445
01:00:40,549 --> 01:00:37,740
that they thought Americans and Western

1446
01:00:43,370 --> 01:00:40,559
Society was crazy that they'd lost their

1447
01:00:46,069 --> 01:00:43,380
sorry and

1448
01:00:48,190 --> 01:00:46,079
um because of we've gone on this

1449
01:00:51,710 --> 01:00:48,200
technological drug

1450
01:00:53,450 --> 01:00:51,720
and they felt like I heard it so many

1451
01:00:55,370 --> 01:00:53,460
times I'm like yeah that's real they

1452
01:00:57,589 --> 01:00:55,380
really do feel that way they feel like

1453
01:01:00,289 --> 01:00:57,599
we've lost it because we're just going

1454
01:01:01,370 --> 01:01:00,299
down this whole technological thing and

1455
01:01:03,349 --> 01:01:01,380
um

1456
01:01:05,750 --> 01:01:03,359
you know it's like

1457
01:01:09,109 --> 01:01:05,760
nature is

1458
01:01:11,809 --> 01:01:09,119
Nate Nature's been with us for billions

1459
01:01:13,670 --> 01:01:11,819
of years again you know

1460
01:01:16,450 --> 01:01:13,680
um and we're kind of walking away from

1461
01:01:19,309 --> 01:01:16,460
it uh have been

1462
01:01:21,170 --> 01:01:19,319
and nature doesn't like that it's going

1463
01:01:24,530 --> 01:01:21,180
to return you to that place eventually

1464
01:01:25,730 --> 01:01:24,540
and one of the things I think about uh

1465
01:01:28,809 --> 01:01:25,740
these

1466
01:01:32,809 --> 01:01:28,819
creatures from wherever they are from

1467
01:01:36,109 --> 01:01:32,819
is they have figured out a way to

1468
01:01:38,470 --> 01:01:36,119
reintegrate technology like almost back

1469
01:01:41,030 --> 01:01:38,480
to Nature itself

1470
01:01:42,650 --> 01:01:41,040
and I think they've learned that I mean

1471
01:01:45,710 --> 01:01:42,660
honestly I know this may sound a little

1472
01:01:46,309 --> 01:01:45,720
bit far out there but

1473
01:01:49,370 --> 01:01:46,319
um

1474
01:01:51,829 --> 01:01:49,380
I don't think it is I think they uh

1475
01:01:54,650 --> 01:01:51,839
understood like you can't leave you

1476
01:01:56,750 --> 01:01:54,660
can't leave what you're in you can't

1477
01:02:00,049 --> 01:01:56,760
it's going to bring you back to it all

1478
01:02:01,910 --> 01:02:00,059
the time so the technology

1479
01:02:05,210 --> 01:02:01,920
um

1480
01:02:07,809 --> 01:02:05,220
yeah it's uh

1481
01:02:12,289 --> 01:02:07,819
it's an addiction for sure

1482
01:02:16,309 --> 01:02:12,299
uh and I I you know it's it's evolving

1483
01:02:19,010 --> 01:02:16,319
us technologically and in many ways

1484
01:02:20,870 --> 01:02:19,020
um but we we don't consider the the

1485
01:02:23,510 --> 01:02:20,880
downside of that and how it's

1486
01:02:25,309 --> 01:02:23,520
disconnecting us from what's out there

1487
01:02:27,589 --> 01:02:25,319
which is

1488
01:02:29,569 --> 01:02:27,599
been around for an awfully long time and

1489
01:02:32,030 --> 01:02:29,579
it works

1490
01:02:34,430 --> 01:02:32,040
um I know we once I think once we

1491
01:02:36,530 --> 01:02:34,440
understand it all we're gonna go start

1492
01:02:37,849 --> 01:02:36,540
to go back toward that integrate our

1493
01:02:40,970 --> 01:02:37,859
technology

1494
01:02:45,589 --> 01:02:40,980
kind of more toward natural

1495
01:02:49,370 --> 01:02:45,599
you know sources natural uh

1496
01:02:52,069 --> 01:02:49,380
more nature connected Tech uh sure

1497
01:02:55,069 --> 01:02:52,079
because and you know nature is a

1498
01:02:57,109 --> 01:02:55,079
technology in itself and it's uh uh I

1499
01:02:59,089 --> 01:02:57,119
think once we get to the level of being

1500
01:03:03,130 --> 01:02:59,099
able to uh

1501
01:03:05,870 --> 01:03:03,140
work with that uh in a way

1502
01:03:10,370 --> 01:03:05,880
we'll be on the path again I think the

1503
01:03:12,530 --> 01:03:10,380
right path but it's going to take time

1504
01:03:14,690 --> 01:03:12,540
ugly turning point to get us there but

1505
01:03:16,069 --> 01:03:14,700
it's going to be an ugly turning point

1506
01:03:19,250 --> 01:03:16,079
to get us there

1507
01:03:21,170 --> 01:03:19,260
yeah it very well could be yeah for sure

1508
01:03:22,970 --> 01:03:21,180
yeah we gotta hit the wall before we're

1509
01:03:26,030 --> 01:03:22,980
gonna actually change you know

1510
01:03:28,250 --> 01:03:26,040
unfortunately that's the way it goes

1511
01:03:30,829 --> 01:03:28,260
our uh are either of you doing anything

1512
01:03:32,750 --> 01:03:30,839
uh looking forward to anything for the

1513
01:03:35,870 --> 01:03:32,760
holidays this year

1514
01:03:38,809 --> 01:03:35,880
just family yeah I've been in it all

1515
01:03:40,549 --> 01:03:38,819
week to be honest like today as well I

1516
01:03:43,430 --> 01:03:40,559
went to the theater to see the pantomime

1517
01:03:45,710 --> 01:03:43,440
and it's just been Christmas filled

1518
01:03:47,390 --> 01:03:45,720
things my daughter's five years old so

1519
01:03:49,069 --> 01:03:47,400
of course everything revolves around her

1520
01:03:50,809 --> 01:03:49,079
so it's just

1521
01:03:52,430 --> 01:03:50,819
just everything's just singing and

1522
01:03:54,470 --> 01:03:52,440
dancing literally at the moment which

1523
01:03:57,230 --> 01:03:54,480
I've you know it's just beautiful so I'm

1524
01:03:59,630 --> 01:03:57,240
just so happy right now and you know

1525
01:04:02,329 --> 01:03:59,640
Life's good

1526
01:04:04,849 --> 01:04:02,339
uh yeah

1527
01:04:06,289 --> 01:04:04,859
well seeing friends you know seeing

1528
01:04:08,510 --> 01:04:06,299
family

1529
01:04:13,789 --> 01:04:11,690
you know I I haven't really had a lot of

1530
01:04:16,670 --> 01:04:13,799
time off so

1531
01:04:18,049 --> 01:04:16,680
I I want I've flown for two months I I

1532
01:04:22,069 --> 01:04:18,059
used

1533
01:04:23,030 --> 01:04:22,079
I spent I would fly 150 for 160 hours a

1534
01:04:26,870 --> 01:04:23,040
year

1535
01:04:30,470 --> 01:04:26,880
and uh yeah so I really want to get up

1536
01:04:35,630 --> 01:04:34,190
play piano and write some more music and

1537
01:04:38,030 --> 01:04:35,640
um

1538
01:04:40,730 --> 01:04:38,040
I'd love to hear some of your music

1539
01:04:43,490 --> 01:04:40,740
I'll send you a piece I said I sent um

1540
01:04:47,210 --> 01:04:43,500
Jay a piece last last night when I was

1541
01:04:48,710 --> 01:04:47,220
chatting with him and uh yeah yeah and I

1542
01:04:50,329 --> 01:04:48,720
listened to it the first thing in the

1543
01:04:53,690 --> 01:04:50,339
morning I'm doing my first cup of coffee

1544
01:04:55,730 --> 01:04:53,700
today and and boy that was a trip wild

1545
01:04:57,890 --> 01:04:55,740
wild stuff is great thank you so much

1546
01:04:59,210 --> 01:04:57,900
Randy for that that was yeah we had a

1547
01:05:03,410 --> 01:04:59,220
nice conversation about that earlier

1548
01:05:06,410 --> 01:05:03,420
today and uh yeah such good stuff yeah

1549
01:05:09,230 --> 01:05:06,420
that's my thing because music yeah like

1550
01:05:11,750 --> 01:05:09,240
um uh dedicated my yeah to my life the

1551
01:05:13,910 --> 01:05:11,760
music basically it towards the when I

1552
01:05:15,589 --> 01:05:13,920
when I decided you know circling back to

1553
01:05:18,530 --> 01:05:15,599
the football thing when I decided that

1554
01:05:22,370 --> 01:05:18,540
wasn't for me I found I met a nice girl

1555
01:05:25,309 --> 01:05:22,380
named Mary Jane and uh found a cool guy

1556
01:05:28,849 --> 01:05:25,319
named Led Zeppelin and that uh put me

1557
01:05:30,730 --> 01:05:28,859
off into a different world and I've been

1558
01:05:33,470 --> 01:05:30,740
playing music and writing my own music

1559
01:05:36,250 --> 01:05:33,480
you know what's your Instagram 20 years

1560
01:05:38,870 --> 01:05:36,260
so uh my main one was just kid

1561
01:05:41,630 --> 01:05:38,880
singer-songwriter so more of a like a

1562
01:05:43,789 --> 01:05:41,640
more a songwriter than a like an

1563
01:05:45,950 --> 01:05:43,799
instrument guy but yeah I could I could

1564
01:05:47,450 --> 01:05:45,960
do piano

1565
01:05:50,030 --> 01:05:47,460
um you know but guitar I guess really

1566
01:05:52,370 --> 01:05:50,040
but songwriting is was my passion yeah

1567
01:05:54,890 --> 01:05:52,380
so right and I there's some at least

1568
01:05:57,410 --> 01:05:54,900
yeah I'll send you a vinyl it would go

1569
01:06:01,789 --> 01:05:57,420
really well with that cabin it's very

1570
01:06:04,370 --> 01:06:01,799
uh slow pokey uh emotional kind of stuff

1571
01:06:07,309 --> 01:06:04,380
so if you got a record player in there

1572
01:06:10,069 --> 01:06:07,319
it would I actually have it in mothballs

1573
01:06:12,890 --> 01:06:10,079
but I I do have one techniques you know

1574
01:06:17,809 --> 01:06:12,900
one of the good old techniques yeah yeah

1575
01:06:22,130 --> 01:06:17,819
I could do it yeah I'll have to show you

1576
01:06:26,210 --> 01:06:22,140
um well we we didn't get uh Randall's

1577
01:06:31,190 --> 01:06:26,220
favorite piece of UAP news for 2022. oh

1578
01:06:37,970 --> 01:06:33,829
well I mean I think other than your

1579
01:06:40,250 --> 01:06:37,980
movie coming out you know well yeah I

1580
01:06:43,549 --> 01:06:40,260
yeah it was kind of more on the private

1581
01:06:45,230 --> 01:06:43,559
level right right sure sure I mean when

1582
01:06:47,930 --> 01:06:45,240
actually the Senate intelligence

1583
01:06:48,710 --> 01:06:47,940
committee's first uh meeting was a big

1584
01:06:52,069 --> 01:06:48,720
deal

1585
01:06:55,069 --> 01:06:52,079
I had to watch it probably 10 times to

1586
01:06:56,870 --> 01:06:55,079
like really get every single nuance and

1587
01:06:59,410 --> 01:06:56,880
the video guy on that thing was like

1588
01:07:07,390 --> 01:06:59,420
should be fired

1589
01:07:11,809 --> 01:07:10,190
that thing that thing right there we

1590
01:07:14,510 --> 01:07:11,819
don't know what it is we could have got

1591
01:07:17,329 --> 01:07:14,520
anybody on uh Twitter or Facebook to do

1592
01:07:19,789 --> 01:07:17,339
way better than that you know 100

1593
01:07:22,309 --> 01:07:19,799
that was a good idea we should do that

1594
01:07:30,970 --> 01:07:22,319
get these people to testify we'll set up

1595
01:07:37,010 --> 01:07:34,670
I was just like oh my god dude just push

1596
01:07:39,170 --> 01:07:37,020
the right Keys it's not that hard go

1597
01:07:41,390 --> 01:07:39,180
step by step by step and stop

1598
01:07:43,250 --> 01:07:41,400
but I don't know you know what kind of

1599
01:07:44,870 --> 01:07:43,260
keyboard he was on or whether what

1600
01:07:46,309 --> 01:07:44,880
program that was it probably wasn't a

1601
01:07:48,109 --> 01:07:46,319
big thing it probably wasn't an editing

1602
01:07:50,329 --> 01:07:48,119
program either because it looked like he

1603
01:07:52,789 --> 01:07:50,339
was just trying to anyway but I I really

1604
01:07:54,770 --> 01:07:52,799
appreciated that they were trying the

1605
01:07:57,770 --> 01:07:54,780
thing I took away from it was they were

1606
01:07:59,809 --> 01:07:57,780
trying to destigmatize

1607
01:08:02,150 --> 01:07:59,819
the people that have seen these things

1608
01:08:05,270 --> 01:08:02,160
and that to me because it was said like

1609
01:08:09,349 --> 01:08:05,280
five times during the whole thing

1610
01:08:11,270 --> 01:08:09,359
I I was like I I just felt like they're

1611
01:08:14,029 --> 01:08:11,280
taking the right steps here

1612
01:08:16,550 --> 01:08:14,039
you know that's a big deal because so

1613
01:08:18,950 --> 01:08:16,560
much so many people feel alone

1614
01:08:21,349 --> 01:08:18,960
they've seen these things they they

1615
01:08:23,450 --> 01:08:21,359
don't talk to anybody about it they're

1616
01:08:26,090 --> 01:08:23,460
afraid to they don't want to get made

1617
01:08:27,530 --> 01:08:26,100
fun of God forbid if they went public

1618
01:08:30,470 --> 01:08:27,540
you know

1619
01:08:32,809 --> 01:08:30,480
well if you think about it too like if

1620
01:08:34,669 --> 01:08:32,819
if our government or military is going

1621
01:08:36,829 --> 01:08:34,679
to learn as much as they can about this

1622
01:08:38,930 --> 01:08:36,839
stuff like that they're the ones that

1623
01:08:40,550 --> 01:08:38,940
have all the sensors video equipment and

1624
01:08:42,169 --> 01:08:40,560
all that and they're not going to be

1625
01:08:44,329 --> 01:08:42,179
able to get the fastest beat on it

1626
01:08:47,030 --> 01:08:44,339
unless their people are telling them

1627
01:08:49,130 --> 01:08:47,040
about it so what is the first step yeah

1628
01:08:51,349 --> 01:08:49,140
destigmatize all your Pilots your your

1629
01:08:53,749 --> 01:08:51,359
whoever Navy aviators actually report

1630
01:08:57,430 --> 01:08:53,759
this stuff so you can actually get the

1631
01:08:59,630 --> 01:08:57,440
best uh data possible so yeah first step

1632
01:09:01,370 --> 01:08:59,640
destigmatize with your with your crew

1633
01:09:02,450 --> 01:09:01,380
yeah that makes sense especially with

1634
01:09:05,809 --> 01:09:02,460
the pilots

1635
01:09:09,410 --> 01:09:05,819
um you know I I have a ton of pilot

1636
01:09:12,890 --> 01:09:09,420
friends some that fly f-15s and f-22s

1637
01:09:16,689 --> 01:09:12,900
whatever or just small planes or uh

1638
01:09:21,709 --> 01:09:16,699
exact jets are seven you know whatever

1639
01:09:23,809 --> 01:09:21,719
a320s or whatever but they are concerned

1640
01:09:26,809 --> 01:09:23,819
about you know they have been concerned

1641
01:09:29,030 --> 01:09:26,819
about it um when I and it's funny to

1642
01:09:31,070 --> 01:09:29,040
have watched the shift at at my own

1643
01:09:33,229 --> 01:09:31,080
Airport

1644
01:09:34,490 --> 01:09:33,239
um you know I have a hanger there it's

1645
01:09:36,349 --> 01:09:34,500
you know it's not a very expensive

1646
01:09:38,450 --> 01:09:36,359
hanger it's not a very expensive plane

1647
01:09:40,849 --> 01:09:38,460
at all uh it actually cost me ten

1648
01:09:43,490 --> 01:09:40,859
thousand dollars for the plane but so I

1649
01:09:46,249 --> 01:09:43,500
get you know that I would when I first

1650
01:09:49,430 --> 01:09:46,259
started at the airport was a 2010 or so

1651
01:09:51,470 --> 01:09:49,440
and uh you know nobody everybody's like

1652
01:09:53,269 --> 01:09:51,480
you know I asked people like hey you

1653
01:09:54,830 --> 01:09:53,279
ever see anything weird up there you

1654
01:09:57,290 --> 01:09:54,840
know they respected me as a pilot I

1655
01:10:01,010 --> 01:09:57,300
respected them as a pilot we both risked

1656
01:10:04,330 --> 01:10:01,020
Our Lives you know in a sense and um and

1657
01:10:07,970 --> 01:10:04,340
they'd say you know they'd look around

1658
01:10:10,430 --> 01:10:07,980
you know yeah sometimes I actually did

1659
01:10:12,890 --> 01:10:10,440
see something and they and said but you

1660
01:10:14,330 --> 01:10:12,900
don't we need we don't tell anybody I

1661
01:10:16,729 --> 01:10:14,340
told you that

1662
01:10:19,729 --> 01:10:16,739
and and now

1663
01:10:21,950 --> 01:10:19,739
I've seen a shift because some of those

1664
01:10:22,970 --> 01:10:21,960
same people are like uh have been coming

1665
01:10:24,830 --> 01:10:22,980
to me

1666
01:10:25,970 --> 01:10:24,840
and say I want to hear more about this

1667
01:10:27,590 --> 01:10:25,980
like

1668
01:10:29,510 --> 01:10:27,600
you know

1669
01:10:33,169 --> 01:10:29,520
um because they knew I was doing this

1670
01:10:35,030 --> 01:10:33,179
movie and uh when and it was because of

1671
01:10:36,830 --> 01:10:35,040
the Senate intelligence committee I

1672
01:10:39,310 --> 01:10:36,840
think that really shifted them Pilots

1673
01:10:42,830 --> 01:10:39,320
are very generally you know

1674
01:10:45,649 --> 01:10:42,840
uh how do you say it uh

1675
01:10:49,250 --> 01:10:45,659
they're incredibly smart people uh

1676
01:10:49,970 --> 01:10:49,260
because you have to be and you're sure

1677
01:10:52,550 --> 01:10:49,980
um

1678
01:10:54,770 --> 01:10:52,560
and especially if you've got you know

1679
01:10:57,110 --> 01:10:54,780
hours there's people at my airport that

1680
01:11:01,370 --> 01:10:57,120
have 35 000 hours in the air you know

1681
01:11:02,390 --> 01:11:01,380
about 1500 and 1500 are significant but

1682
01:11:04,130 --> 01:11:02,400
35

1683
01:11:05,990 --> 01:11:04,140
000. yeah

1684
01:11:08,330 --> 01:11:06,000
um you've seen a lot up there

1685
01:11:11,030 --> 01:11:08,340
um I was doing an interview I don't know

1686
01:11:14,570 --> 01:11:11,040
a month ago or so and

1687
01:11:17,810 --> 01:11:14,580
I was there was a professor

1688
01:11:20,030 --> 01:11:17,820
um kind of trying to do not debunk but

1689
01:11:23,390 --> 01:11:20,040
just criticize

1690
01:11:24,770 --> 01:11:23,400
and I mentioned Pilots that witnessed

1691
01:11:27,169 --> 01:11:24,780
this and then well Pilots are not

1692
01:11:28,970 --> 01:11:27,179
scientists and I was like well Pilots

1693
01:11:31,130 --> 01:11:28,980
are pretty damn smart

1694
01:11:32,689 --> 01:11:31,140
unless you're flying up there you don't

1695
01:11:34,070 --> 01:11:32,699
know what's up there they know

1696
01:11:35,410 --> 01:11:34,080
everything that goes up they see

1697
01:11:38,390 --> 01:11:35,420
everything up there

1698
01:11:41,689 --> 01:11:38,400
satellites I mean you you name it

1699
01:11:45,290 --> 01:11:41,699
meteorite entries uh well lie whatever

1700
01:11:48,530 --> 01:11:45,300
the whole nine yards and uh

1701
01:11:50,450 --> 01:11:48,540
so I I just kind of like people need to

1702
01:11:52,070 --> 01:11:50,460
give Pilots a lot more credit because

1703
01:11:54,290 --> 01:11:52,080
what they do is really difficult

1704
01:11:56,870 --> 01:11:54,300
particularly military Pilots the speeds

1705
01:11:58,669 --> 01:11:56,880
they're traveling the the amount of

1706
01:12:01,570 --> 01:11:58,679
decisions they need to make and their

1707
01:12:04,790 --> 01:12:01,580
understanding of the Earth's atmosphere

1708
01:12:07,610 --> 01:12:04,800
layers of the atmosphere uh and the

1709
01:12:10,010 --> 01:12:07,620
experience of of you know knowing what's

1710
01:12:11,689 --> 01:12:10,020
normal up there and when they report

1711
01:12:14,990 --> 01:12:11,699
things because they're used you know

1712
01:12:18,050 --> 01:12:15,000
they're all trained to to identify you

1713
01:12:20,930 --> 01:12:18,060
know Russian migs and all the the other

1714
01:12:22,310 --> 01:12:20,940
uh types of foreign aircraft uh when

1715
01:12:25,310 --> 01:12:22,320
they when they see something that

1716
01:12:30,290 --> 01:12:25,320
doesn't fit they know it yeah and I I

1717
01:12:32,930 --> 01:12:30,300
haven't met a a a an uneducated pilot in

1718
01:12:36,050 --> 01:12:32,940
my my career they're all they're good

1719
01:12:41,810 --> 01:12:38,990
yeah and I mean at this point like you

1720
01:12:45,169 --> 01:12:41,820
know studying UFOs you know it's a clear

1721
01:12:47,110 --> 01:12:45,179
documented since 1947 documented you

1722
01:12:49,850 --> 01:12:47,120
know by our government

1723
01:12:52,070 --> 01:12:49,860
hundreds it's happened to hundreds of

1724
01:12:55,370 --> 01:12:52,080
Pilots but I just went over a case of my

1725
01:12:58,669 --> 01:12:55,380
channel the guy won the FAA award 50

1726
01:13:00,649 --> 01:12:58,679
years Master flight guy for 50 years of

1727
01:13:02,990 --> 01:13:00,659
safe flying you know he had a UFO

1728
01:13:05,030 --> 01:13:03,000
sighting in Blue Book but you know blue

1729
01:13:06,709 --> 01:13:05,040
book came out and it tried to debunk

1730
01:13:09,110 --> 01:13:06,719
into the newspaper you know these people

1731
01:13:11,689 --> 01:13:09,120
have been flying and seeing stuff in

1732
01:13:15,169 --> 01:13:11,699
this guy for that long and if there was

1733
01:13:17,689 --> 01:13:15,179
nothing to it all these Pilots would be

1734
01:13:20,570 --> 01:13:17,699
taking part in a training program by now

1735
01:13:22,010 --> 01:13:20,580
that told them which each thing is so

1736
01:13:24,470 --> 01:13:22,020
that when they see it they know what it

1737
01:13:27,830 --> 01:13:24,480
is you know but but they can't do that

1738
01:13:31,850 --> 01:13:27,840
because that's not the case it's not all

1739
01:13:33,770 --> 01:13:31,860
explainable you know otherwise we

1740
01:13:35,630 --> 01:13:33,780
wouldn't have Pilots saying I don't know

1741
01:13:37,010 --> 01:13:35,640
what that is I saw it in this guy you

1742
01:13:38,870 --> 01:13:37,020
know they'd be a part of the training

1743
01:13:42,169 --> 01:13:38,880
packet at this point over the last 70

1744
01:13:44,110 --> 01:13:42,179
goddamn years so stop lying we'll pick

1745
01:13:47,209 --> 01:13:44,120
them more come forward

1746
01:13:48,890 --> 01:13:47,219
there's plenty that that I think you

1747
01:13:50,390 --> 01:13:48,900
know to be honest with you like I think

1748
01:13:53,209 --> 01:13:50,400
a lot of the

1749
01:13:55,850 --> 01:13:53,219
the witnesses to a lot of things we

1750
01:13:58,090 --> 01:13:55,860
haven't even seen the half of it because

1751
01:14:01,850 --> 01:13:58,100
they still don't feel comfortable

1752
01:14:04,189 --> 01:14:01,860
and I I think we're going to see uh you

1753
01:14:07,910 --> 01:14:04,199
know I think we're we're like you know

1754
01:14:09,169 --> 01:14:07,920
10 of the the actual population this is

1755
01:14:11,209 --> 01:14:09,179
my guess

1756
01:14:13,910 --> 01:14:11,219
who are actually willing to talk about

1757
01:14:17,030 --> 01:14:13,920
it and come forward about these things

1758
01:14:18,770 --> 01:14:17,040
or you know investigate these things but

1759
01:14:21,530 --> 01:14:18,780
I'm I'm telling you nine out of 10

1760
01:14:23,870 --> 01:14:21,540
people are will say well tell me the

1761
01:14:25,970 --> 01:14:23,880
story privately but they said I'm not

1762
01:14:28,189 --> 01:14:25,980
talking about this publicly

1763
01:14:29,209 --> 01:14:28,199
um but that that may change I've seen it

1764
01:14:31,850 --> 01:14:29,219
a little bit

1765
01:14:35,090 --> 01:14:31,860
uh where they're like well it it seems

1766
01:14:36,590 --> 01:14:35,100
like it's okay to talk and uh

1767
01:14:38,689 --> 01:14:36,600
but they're you know they're gonna wait

1768
01:14:39,890 --> 01:14:38,699
until they're sure it's okay to talk

1769
01:14:42,350 --> 01:14:39,900
that they're not going to lose their

1770
01:14:44,630 --> 01:14:42,360
jobs or you know what I mean

1771
01:14:46,790 --> 01:14:44,640
um all the old fears which a lot of

1772
01:14:49,189 --> 01:14:46,800
people have had forever you know was

1773
01:14:52,070 --> 01:14:49,199
just ingrained in us through you know

1774
01:14:54,169 --> 01:14:52,080
Robertson panel and different uh and

1775
01:14:56,770 --> 01:14:54,179
societal once once they got the society

1776
01:14:59,410 --> 01:14:56,780
to sort of

1777
01:15:02,149 --> 01:14:59,420
anyway I'll stop talking

1778
01:15:03,590 --> 01:15:02,159
that's great I think oh yeah I think I

1779
01:15:05,450 --> 01:15:03,600
mean we're getting towards the end of

1780
01:15:07,490 --> 01:15:05,460
our show here I think but I I think I've

1781
01:15:08,930 --> 01:15:07,500
I've got maybe two more questions I

1782
01:15:11,689 --> 01:15:08,940
don't know about Sean but my first

1783
01:15:14,510 --> 01:15:11,699
question is what what do you guys think

1784
01:15:16,669 --> 01:15:14,520
about you know there's we have this

1785
01:15:18,590 --> 01:15:16,679
legislation passing today there's been a

1786
01:15:21,470 --> 01:15:18,600
lot of kind of word on the street and as

1787
01:15:23,709 --> 01:15:21,480
you're saying uh Randall about people

1788
01:15:25,729 --> 01:15:23,719
coming forward are we going to see

1789
01:15:28,850 --> 01:15:25,739
whistleblowers are we going to see more

1790
01:15:31,010 --> 01:15:28,860
people coming out in 2023 and are we

1791
01:15:34,250 --> 01:15:31,020
going to see some people were asking in

1792
01:15:37,030 --> 01:15:34,260
the chat and I I saw that Ryan UFO Jesus

1793
01:15:40,510 --> 01:15:37,040
was asking on Twitter are we gonna see

1794
01:15:42,110 --> 01:15:40,520
unambiguous video footage next year

1795
01:15:44,510 --> 01:15:42,120
uh

1796
01:15:45,830 --> 01:15:44,520
um either or both of you I know you know

1797
01:15:47,209 --> 01:15:45,840
this we're going to play the fortune

1798
01:15:49,669 --> 01:15:47,219
teller game here at the end of the year

1799
01:15:52,130 --> 01:15:49,679
looking forward to 2023.

1800
01:15:54,770 --> 01:15:52,140
I mean I'll quickly say in based on the

1801
01:15:57,950 --> 01:15:54,780
ndaa language The Whistleblower language

1802
01:16:00,350 --> 01:15:57,960
specifically really does point to sort

1803
01:16:02,450 --> 01:16:00,360
of closed door conversations that may

1804
01:16:03,950 --> 01:16:02,460
happen in the next year or so and that's

1805
01:16:05,750 --> 01:16:03,960
okay because that then may progress

1806
01:16:07,610 --> 01:16:05,760
beyond that

1807
01:16:09,530 --> 01:16:07,620
that's that's okay there's still the

1808
01:16:12,649 --> 01:16:09,540
ball moving in the right direction but

1809
01:16:14,270 --> 01:16:12,659
then shifting across to you know I've

1810
01:16:16,550 --> 01:16:14,280
spoken to Pilots Randall's obviously

1811
01:16:19,370 --> 01:16:16,560
spoken to Pilots this is where the

1812
01:16:21,410 --> 01:16:19,380
momentum May build for us to see more

1813
01:16:22,970 --> 01:16:21,420
pilots coming forward you know I've been

1814
01:16:25,850 --> 01:16:22,980
lucky enough to speak to

1815
01:16:28,970 --> 01:16:25,860
one or two publicly but also quite a few

1816
01:16:30,410 --> 01:16:28,980
privately and all it takes is for one or

1817
01:16:32,630 --> 01:16:30,420
two of them to come forward with

1818
01:16:34,550 --> 01:16:32,640
something and boom we're in a whole

1819
01:16:36,649 --> 01:16:34,560
another world you know especially the

1820
01:16:37,910 --> 01:16:36,659
military Pilots I've spoken to some who

1821
01:16:39,950 --> 01:16:37,920
are based here

1822
01:16:44,630 --> 01:16:39,960
um off the east coast in Naval Base

1823
01:16:46,729 --> 01:16:44,640
Oceania currently serving and yes

1824
01:16:48,110 --> 01:16:46,739
yeah it could happen we you know I I

1825
01:16:49,250 --> 01:16:48,120
like to stay optimistic but I'm not

1826
01:16:50,510 --> 01:16:49,260
going to be like yes it's definitely

1827
01:16:52,550 --> 01:16:50,520
going to happen because that's going to

1828
01:16:55,729 --> 01:16:52,560
jump in the gun but

1829
01:16:58,990 --> 01:16:55,739
I think it's gonna be a good year

1830
01:17:01,910 --> 01:16:59,000
Randall the question again

1831
01:17:04,130 --> 01:17:01,920
what do you think um thanks Vinnie what

1832
01:17:05,630 --> 01:17:04,140
what do you think in terms of 2023

1833
01:17:07,910 --> 01:17:05,640
looking ahead playing the fortune

1834
01:17:09,110 --> 01:17:07,920
telling game are we going to see as you

1835
01:17:11,510 --> 01:17:09,120
were talking about before are we going

1836
01:17:14,450 --> 01:17:11,520
to see more people coming forward and

1837
01:17:18,950 --> 01:17:14,460
are we going to possibly see you know

1838
01:17:20,930 --> 01:17:18,960
unambiguous uh uh documentation footage

1839
01:17:23,450 --> 01:17:20,940
anything along those lines coming out in

1840
01:17:25,610 --> 01:17:23,460
the next year what do you think I do

1841
01:17:28,630 --> 01:17:25,620
know that foot there are there is some

1842
01:17:31,430 --> 01:17:28,640
pretty uh uh

1843
01:17:34,669 --> 01:17:31,440
most amazing footage I've seen and it

1844
01:17:35,510 --> 01:17:34,679
was down in uh one of these meetings and

1845
01:17:39,229 --> 01:17:35,520
uh

1846
01:17:40,970 --> 01:17:39,239
I I think that is going to be released

1847
01:17:43,070 --> 01:17:40,980
I think I brought it up in some other

1848
01:17:45,310 --> 01:17:43,080
thing I made a mistake of mentioning it

1849
01:17:49,370 --> 01:17:45,320
but because I was told not to mention it

1850
01:17:52,430 --> 01:17:49,380
but but I know it there's there's uh

1851
01:17:54,649 --> 01:17:52,440
footage out there that it's just

1852
01:17:55,669 --> 01:17:54,659
you can't get that you can't get closer

1853
01:17:58,930 --> 01:17:55,679
than that

1854
01:18:04,970 --> 01:17:58,940
unless you're you know walking toward it

1855
01:18:07,550 --> 01:18:04,980
uh so I think you see a being yeah no

1856
01:18:11,030 --> 01:18:07,560
but what what uh the

1857
01:18:13,250 --> 01:18:11,040
the craft does itself uh is absolutely

1858
01:18:14,990 --> 01:18:13,260
stunning

1859
01:18:17,450 --> 01:18:15,000
um anyway

1860
01:18:18,649 --> 01:18:17,460
um so I think that's yeah that's a

1861
01:18:21,590 --> 01:18:18,659
possibility

1862
01:18:24,950 --> 01:18:21,600
I do think the The Whistleblower that's

1863
01:18:26,990 --> 01:18:24,960
a tough one boy I mean especially people

1864
01:18:30,229 --> 01:18:27,000
in special projects with top secret

1865
01:18:32,330 --> 01:18:30,239
clearances and you know they're looking

1866
01:18:33,890 --> 01:18:32,340
at a lot of stuff that they don't want

1867
01:18:36,350 --> 01:18:33,900
anybody so now particularly our

1868
01:18:37,130 --> 01:18:36,360
adversaries

1869
01:18:40,850 --> 01:18:37,140
um

1870
01:18:41,830 --> 01:18:40,860
so there's a lot of National Security

1871
01:18:43,910 --> 01:18:41,840
um

1872
01:18:45,770 --> 01:18:43,920
holdbacks there

1873
01:18:49,130 --> 01:18:45,780
I mean I'm sure they can release it to

1874
01:18:51,290 --> 01:18:49,140
The Minority Report or you know the

1875
01:18:54,050 --> 01:18:51,300
and Senate intelligence committee on the

1876
01:18:55,850 --> 01:18:54,060
p on the QT

1877
01:18:57,350 --> 01:18:55,860
um

1878
01:18:59,090 --> 01:18:57,360
I already feel like the Senate

1879
01:19:01,430 --> 01:18:59,100
intelligence committee has a real good

1880
01:19:02,930 --> 01:19:01,440
grasp on what's actually going on

1881
01:19:08,270 --> 01:19:02,940
yeah

1882
01:19:11,270 --> 01:19:08,280
like how do we tell the people

1883
01:19:14,149 --> 01:19:11,280
that's I think that's the game right now

1884
01:19:18,169 --> 01:19:14,159
it's like how do we get this out to uh

1885
01:19:21,470 --> 01:19:18,179
to the world in a gentle way not dumping

1886
01:19:23,390 --> 01:19:21,480
in on them really quickly but um anyway

1887
01:19:25,250 --> 01:19:23,400
that's I'm EX

1888
01:19:27,050 --> 01:19:25,260
if it keeps going the way it's going I

1889
01:19:30,370 --> 01:19:27,060
just don't with all the people involved

1890
01:19:33,770 --> 01:19:30,380
right now I just do not doubt that

1891
01:19:36,290 --> 01:19:33,780
uh in the past I've seen these you

1892
01:19:39,410 --> 01:19:36,300
mentioned it yourself

1893
01:19:41,870 --> 01:19:39,420
um about how you know

1894
01:19:44,990 --> 01:19:41,880
the Press Club or you know these events

1895
01:19:46,310 --> 01:19:45,000
have happened 2013 and all that stuff

1896
01:19:49,490 --> 01:19:46,320
um

1897
01:19:52,010 --> 01:19:49,500
and nothing really comes of it and I for

1898
01:19:53,209 --> 01:19:52,020
the first time ever in 30 something

1899
01:19:55,610 --> 01:19:53,219
years

1900
01:19:57,110 --> 01:19:55,620
I feel like I don't think they're gonna

1901
01:19:59,990 --> 01:19:57,120
stop this one

1902
01:20:03,590 --> 01:20:00,000
and that's a good feeling and I really

1903
01:20:04,910 --> 01:20:03,600
want to do whatever I can to

1904
01:20:06,890 --> 01:20:04,920
um

1905
01:20:10,689 --> 01:20:06,900
you know put my nose to the grindstone

1906
01:20:12,830 --> 01:20:10,699
to add content to that and and help to

1907
01:20:16,330 --> 01:20:12,840
further that because I think it's only

1908
01:20:21,470 --> 01:20:19,430
my biggest question and you know there's

1909
01:20:24,590 --> 01:20:21,480
a perfect question for you is is why is

1910
01:20:30,830 --> 01:20:28,189
you mean us as uh like the human race to

1911
01:20:32,689 --> 01:20:30,840
divulge this information why is it why

1912
01:20:34,910 --> 01:20:32,699
is it up to us

1913
01:20:38,390 --> 01:20:34,920
I mean why they don't they just

1914
01:20:41,270 --> 01:20:38,400
intervene yeah whether it's you know

1915
01:20:43,910 --> 01:20:41,280
like um here we are or maybe it seems

1916
01:20:46,790 --> 01:20:43,920
like to me they may not want to be known

1917
01:20:47,950 --> 01:20:46,800
so what would they do to stop it you

1918
01:20:51,470 --> 01:20:47,960
know

1919
01:20:53,270 --> 01:20:51,480
I'm just speculating obviously but why

1920
01:20:55,130 --> 01:20:53,280
are the it seems like the cut we put the

1921
01:20:56,530 --> 01:20:55,140
cards in our own hands

1922
01:20:59,750 --> 01:20:56,540
Right Now

1923
01:21:00,590 --> 01:20:59,760
cards are really in their hands I really

1924
01:21:05,570 --> 01:21:00,600
do

1925
01:21:07,370 --> 01:21:05,580
unwise

1926
01:21:10,550 --> 01:21:07,380
in the way they've been approaching us

1927
01:21:14,750 --> 01:21:10,560
very slowly you know

1928
01:21:16,850 --> 01:21:14,760
a random scattered events you know they

1929
01:21:18,470 --> 01:21:16,860
know they have to know being an advanced

1930
01:21:20,330 --> 01:21:18,480
species like if they rush in here

1931
01:21:22,970 --> 01:21:20,340
they're gonna freak us all out

1932
01:21:25,610 --> 01:21:22,980
our civilization won't collapse we I

1933
01:21:27,350 --> 01:21:25,620
mean there I kind of look at it as a

1934
01:21:29,510 --> 01:21:27,360
domestication program

1935
01:21:34,070 --> 01:21:29,520
that they're very good at

1936
01:21:36,530 --> 01:21:34,080
uh uh they have picked uh you know maybe

1937
01:21:38,930 --> 01:21:36,540
100 000 people around the globe or maybe

1938
01:21:41,510 --> 01:21:38,940
even more I mean the Roper pole was like

1939
01:21:44,689 --> 01:21:41,520
2 million in this country

1940
01:21:45,830 --> 01:21:44,699
um but you you know the way they're

1941
01:21:49,070 --> 01:21:45,840
giving

1942
01:21:52,070 --> 01:21:49,080
it's just sort of a uh sliding back the

1943
01:21:55,070 --> 01:21:52,080
curtain very slowly

1944
01:21:57,169 --> 01:21:55,080
um because I I think uh encountering

1945
01:21:59,570 --> 01:21:57,179
another species from another world is

1946
01:22:02,330 --> 01:21:59,580
not is a really big deal

1947
01:22:05,689 --> 01:22:02,340
I mean really big deal when when you're

1948
01:22:07,970 --> 01:22:05,699
face to face with it definitely

1949
01:22:09,590 --> 01:22:07,980
um and you don't want to jump in slowly

1950
01:22:11,630 --> 01:22:09,600
so I think they

1951
01:22:14,149 --> 01:22:11,640
this is my personal opinion I don't know

1952
01:22:17,209 --> 01:22:14,159
if it's the facts but I do

1953
01:22:19,729 --> 01:22:17,219
the facts I draw are from interviews

1954
01:22:23,410 --> 01:22:19,739
with people and talking with people for

1955
01:22:26,350 --> 01:22:23,420
a long time and um so I I

1956
01:22:29,290 --> 01:22:26,360
so they're in control of the real

1957
01:22:34,250 --> 01:22:29,300
disclosure yet

1958
01:22:37,189 --> 01:22:34,260
the our our military or whatever you

1959
01:22:39,890 --> 01:22:37,199
want to call it the complex of uh

1960
01:22:43,850 --> 01:22:39,900
many contractors uh

1961
01:22:46,970 --> 01:22:43,860
has also interfered with that disclosure

1962
01:22:52,550 --> 01:22:49,030
um

1963
01:22:55,610 --> 01:22:52,560
understanding why I get it but they

1964
01:22:58,250 --> 01:22:55,620
don't I then it brings up question after

1965
01:23:00,709 --> 01:22:58,260
question after question of well

1966
01:23:03,830 --> 01:23:00,719
how's that working out you know what's

1967
01:23:05,810 --> 01:23:03,840
the relationship between those guys

1968
01:23:07,990 --> 01:23:05,820
that brings up just questions like I

1969
01:23:10,490 --> 01:23:08,000
have no answers about it but

1970
01:23:13,070 --> 01:23:10,500
there's so many questions in this field

1971
01:23:14,390 --> 01:23:13,080
that are not answered

1972
01:23:16,550 --> 01:23:14,400
uh

1973
01:23:18,410 --> 01:23:16,560
I mean that kind of you know if I get

1974
01:23:19,110 --> 01:23:18,420
one question answered oh boy I'm real

1975
01:23:21,669 --> 01:23:19,120
happy

1976
01:23:25,550 --> 01:23:21,679
[Laughter]

1977
01:23:27,169 --> 01:23:25,560
confirmations and drawings of that a

1978
01:23:30,169 --> 01:23:27,179
certain thing it's like yeah that's it

1979
01:23:32,750 --> 01:23:30,179
you know not corroborating you know just

1980
01:23:35,810 --> 01:23:32,760
like somebody I don't even know

1981
01:23:41,149 --> 01:23:35,820
and he draws something on on his you

1982
01:23:46,310 --> 01:23:43,750
yeah that's crazy

1983
01:23:48,410 --> 01:23:46,320
the things that happened and and the

1984
01:23:49,850 --> 01:23:48,420
matching and like oh yeah these are the

1985
01:23:50,990 --> 01:23:49,860
same guys man

1986
01:23:54,229 --> 01:23:51,000
well

1987
01:24:00,169 --> 01:23:57,530
so so I'll call you later you tell me

1988
01:24:02,750 --> 01:24:00,179
everything yeah yeah there we go there

1989
01:24:04,970 --> 01:24:02,760
we go absolutely well I have I have one

1990
01:24:07,430 --> 01:24:04,980
thank you so much guys for for joining

1991
01:24:10,790 --> 01:24:07,440
us for this for this special holiday

1992
01:24:11,709 --> 01:24:10,800
week this is so awesome candles but you

1993
01:24:14,630 --> 01:24:11,719
know

1994
01:24:18,530 --> 01:24:14,640
I've got my one string of lights over

1995
01:24:20,450 --> 01:24:18,540
here oh you got it yeah exactly I was

1996
01:24:25,750 --> 01:24:20,460
trying to find the Hat the Santa hat I

1997
01:24:30,470 --> 01:24:28,310
next year next year we'll do it next

1998
01:24:32,689 --> 01:24:30,480
year all right so I've got one more

1999
01:24:35,090 --> 01:24:32,699
question for the both of you Vinnie

2000
01:24:37,310 --> 01:24:35,100
where can we find phenomenology season

2001
01:24:39,770 --> 01:24:37,320
one and Randall where we can we find

2002
01:24:41,270 --> 01:24:39,780
aerial phenomenon

2003
01:24:44,570 --> 01:24:41,280
um I think the best place to go would be

2004
01:24:46,669 --> 01:24:44,580
to be my all my links link which I think

2005
01:24:47,870 --> 01:24:46,679
Sean has graciously put in the

2006
01:24:49,910 --> 01:24:47,880
description of the video because that

2007
01:24:51,470 --> 01:24:49,920
links to all of my social medias all the

2008
01:24:53,810 --> 01:24:51,480
things that I've been working on and

2009
01:24:55,669 --> 01:24:53,820
yeah I'm happy that that's an

2010
01:24:57,830 --> 01:24:55,679
ever-growing list so I guess that's the

2011
01:24:59,630 --> 01:24:57,840
best place to go and check me out um but

2012
01:25:00,950 --> 01:24:59,640
yeah I just want to say before before we

2013
01:25:03,649 --> 01:25:00,960
finish I just want to say thank you to

2014
01:25:06,350 --> 01:25:03,659
everyone that's been supportive of me

2015
01:25:09,050 --> 01:25:06,360
with disclosure team with UAP media UK

2016
01:25:10,689 --> 01:25:09,060
with phenomenology as well I couldn't do

2017
01:25:13,310 --> 01:25:10,699
it without everybody's support and

2018
01:25:15,350 --> 01:25:13,320
friendships more importantly you guys

2019
01:25:17,149 --> 01:25:15,360
here but a lot of the people even here

2020
01:25:18,830 --> 01:25:17,159
in the chat as well are super good

2021
01:25:21,410 --> 01:25:18,840
friends and colleagues of mine that I

2022
01:25:23,750 --> 01:25:21,420
love the bits and they are hugely hugely

2023
01:25:26,990 --> 01:25:23,760
motivating they raise me up

2024
01:25:28,729 --> 01:25:27,000
day in day out week in week out to keep

2025
01:25:30,410 --> 01:25:28,739
pushing to do what I do and I couldn't

2026
01:25:32,510 --> 01:25:30,420
do it without them so I wanted to give a

2027
01:25:34,910 --> 01:25:32,520
good holiday shout out to those guys as

2028
01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:37,729
nice

2029
01:25:40,850 --> 01:25:39,169
um Ariel

2030
01:25:43,070 --> 01:25:40,860
um

2031
01:25:45,830 --> 01:25:43,080
aerial phenomenon you can we just

2032
01:25:48,169 --> 01:25:45,840
released on Amazon it's available on

2033
01:25:49,570 --> 01:25:48,179
multiple platforms Google

2034
01:25:53,689 --> 01:25:49,580
um

2035
01:25:55,790 --> 01:25:53,699
iTunes Apple TV we we kind of made the

2036
01:25:59,450 --> 01:25:55,800
big launch and the big step of going

2037
01:26:01,970 --> 01:25:59,460
worldwide and have our fingers crossed

2038
01:26:02,590 --> 01:26:01,980
uh

2039
01:26:05,510 --> 01:26:02,600
um

2040
01:26:07,970 --> 01:26:05,520
and you know trying to raise money for

2041
01:26:11,450 --> 01:26:07,980
for these other projects which I cannot

2042
01:26:12,770 --> 01:26:11,460
wait to I just like to do the work I

2043
01:26:13,910 --> 01:26:12,780
really don't like to talk about it too

2044
01:26:16,010 --> 01:26:13,920
much

2045
01:26:17,570 --> 01:26:16,020
even though I am right now but I I

2046
01:26:19,490 --> 01:26:17,580
rather just

2047
01:26:22,250 --> 01:26:19,500
get behind the camera get behind and

2048
01:26:23,689 --> 01:26:22,260
just get it done and and done in in a

2049
01:26:25,970 --> 01:26:23,699
way that can help

2050
01:26:29,209 --> 01:26:25,980
um people mainly people that have

2051
01:26:33,350 --> 01:26:29,219
experienced it but also the larger

2052
01:26:35,990 --> 01:26:33,360
culture to learn you know it's really

2053
01:26:38,810 --> 01:26:36,000
that another you know total copernican

2054
01:26:41,209 --> 01:26:38,820
moment that we're approaching

2055
01:26:44,030 --> 01:26:41,219
where our complete understanding is just

2056
01:26:47,390 --> 01:26:44,040
going to be blown out of the water

2057
01:26:51,110 --> 01:26:47,400
um but I would like to thank um

2058
01:26:54,649 --> 01:26:51,120
thanks for thanking people because uh

2059
01:26:57,110 --> 01:26:54,659
it made me think of my uh I hadn't to

2060
01:26:59,810 --> 01:26:57,120
get an entertainment attorney

2061
01:27:02,330 --> 01:26:59,820
for this film and he did the

2062
01:27:05,270 --> 01:27:02,340
he was the Purdue he was a producer as a

2063
01:27:07,669 --> 01:27:05,280
lawyer for the the uh Teenage Mutant

2064
01:27:12,110 --> 01:27:07,679
Ninja Turtles and uh his name is Fred

2065
01:27:13,189 --> 01:27:12,120
fierst and you know he let me run up a

2066
01:27:15,470 --> 01:27:13,199
bill

2067
01:27:16,490 --> 01:27:15,480
and I owe him like ninety thousand

2068
01:27:19,310 --> 01:27:16,500
dollars

2069
01:27:21,169 --> 01:27:19,320
and I just want to put out a shout out

2070
01:27:23,930 --> 01:27:21,179
to him

2071
01:27:25,250 --> 01:27:23,940
um he had he had a an accident in the

2072
01:27:27,530 --> 01:27:25,260
last uh

2073
01:27:29,330 --> 01:27:27,540
year and um

2074
01:27:32,750 --> 01:27:29,340
you know he didn't have to do he didn't

2075
01:27:34,850 --> 01:27:32,760
have to help me and he did and uh I

2076
01:27:38,689 --> 01:27:34,860
can't wait to um

2077
01:27:41,149 --> 01:27:38,699
you know pay him the money that he

2078
01:27:43,370 --> 01:27:41,159
graciously you know he believed in me

2079
01:27:44,870 --> 01:27:43,380
and he you know he had no reason to do

2080
01:27:45,530 --> 01:27:44,880
so

2081
01:27:48,890 --> 01:27:45,540
um

2082
01:27:50,290 --> 01:27:48,900
so I try to you know and my crew and all

2083
01:27:54,050 --> 01:27:50,300
the people

2084
01:27:58,729 --> 01:27:54,060
that uh were the witnesses and my edit

2085
01:28:01,510 --> 01:27:58,739
Chris Seward Rick degrees and uh and uh

2086
01:28:05,870 --> 01:28:01,520
yeah and um

2087
01:28:08,290 --> 01:28:05,880
kryznowski and Rebecca right out my God

2088
01:28:13,490 --> 01:28:08,300
um but there's so many people to thank

2089
01:28:15,229 --> 01:28:13,500
uh that uh it's hard to get them all in

2090
01:28:18,890 --> 01:28:15,239
there so every interview I do I'm like

2091
01:28:22,310 --> 01:28:18,900
trying oh wait who do I have to

2092
01:28:26,030 --> 01:28:22,320
neat you know really honestly need to

2093
01:28:28,729 --> 01:28:26,040
because they they really gave time money

2094
01:28:31,129 --> 01:28:28,739
and all that stuff so

2095
01:28:35,510 --> 01:28:31,139
um but yeah I'm really hopeful that

2096
01:28:37,910 --> 01:28:35,520
Ariel will take off so uh I can uh get

2097
01:28:40,430 --> 01:28:37,920
on the next project pay off

2098
01:28:43,070 --> 01:28:40,440
you know pay back all that from aerial

2099
01:28:45,110 --> 01:28:43,080
and get on to the next

2100
01:28:47,570 --> 01:28:45,120
well before we get out of here let me uh

2101
01:28:49,570 --> 01:28:47,580
oh and my family I gotta thank my family

2102
01:28:52,189 --> 01:28:49,580
yeah it's just family

2103
01:28:54,410 --> 01:28:52,199
they they know their thing yeah no

2104
01:28:56,510 --> 01:28:54,420
they're great

2105
01:28:59,030 --> 01:28:56,520
um I think a part of

2106
01:29:01,910 --> 01:28:59,040
a disclosure or at least a part of

2107
01:29:03,770 --> 01:29:01,920
reducing the stigma

2108
01:29:07,129 --> 01:29:03,780
has allowed me

2109
01:29:09,610 --> 01:29:07,139
to meet people like yourself whom each

2110
01:29:12,410 --> 01:29:09,620
one of you I respect

2111
01:29:14,270 --> 01:29:12,420
immensely and if it wasn't for people

2112
01:29:18,709 --> 01:29:14,280
like you I wouldn't feel comfortable

2113
01:29:21,410 --> 01:29:18,719
being here in my skin you know it takes

2114
01:29:26,209 --> 01:29:21,420
somebody with the humble attitude of

2115
01:29:28,129 --> 01:29:26,219
Vinnie in the generosity of Randall and

2116
01:29:31,189 --> 01:29:28,139
Jay you know and

2117
01:29:34,189 --> 01:29:31,199
the beauty in all three of you gives me

2118
01:29:37,310 --> 01:29:34,199
something to Aspire for it makes me feel

2119
01:29:40,790 --> 01:29:37,320
okay and good about even being here

2120
01:29:43,669 --> 01:29:40,800
you know or or I wouldn't be here so

2121
01:29:45,950 --> 01:29:43,679
like thank you to for you guys for being

2122
01:29:50,450 --> 01:29:45,960
who you are and being such good people

2123
01:29:53,270 --> 01:29:50,460
and um and because of that I feel a good

2124
01:29:55,790 --> 01:29:53,280
and welcome uh here which which isn't

2125
01:29:57,290 --> 01:29:55,800
easy to come by in life so so I'm very

2126
01:30:00,410 --> 01:29:57,300
grateful for that and of course

2127
01:30:02,450 --> 01:30:00,420
everybody in the chat and who's you know

2128
01:30:05,209 --> 01:30:02,460
supported me since my journey after my

2129
01:30:07,250 --> 01:30:05,219
experience one of the first things I did

2130
01:30:08,870 --> 01:30:07,260
was like I have to talk about this I

2131
01:30:12,530 --> 01:30:08,880
don't know how to so I'm just gonna

2132
01:30:14,030 --> 01:30:12,540
start my own uh podcast live stream and

2133
01:30:15,950 --> 01:30:14,040
I'll never forget the first episode

2134
01:30:18,890 --> 01:30:15,960
which I made private because it's kind

2135
01:30:20,990 --> 01:30:18,900
of embarrassing at this point but uh you

2136
01:30:23,689 --> 01:30:21,000
know there's two three people in the

2137
01:30:28,010 --> 01:30:23,699
chat and I'm spilling my guts out about

2138
01:30:30,709 --> 01:30:28,020
my experience you know and good for you

2139
01:30:32,209 --> 01:30:30,719
and it just come here to just come here

2140
01:30:34,910 --> 01:30:32,219
and be talking to you guys and we have

2141
01:30:37,790 --> 01:30:34,920
86 people watching I know it's not you

2142
01:30:39,229 --> 01:30:37,800
know um you know it's not whatever other

2143
01:30:41,030 --> 01:30:39,239
people's channels are but I'm very

2144
01:30:43,669 --> 01:30:41,040
grateful for the people who are here and

2145
01:30:47,090 --> 01:30:43,679
they're all very good people and kind in

2146
01:30:49,430 --> 01:30:47,100
the chat and are very supportive so

2147
01:30:51,410 --> 01:30:49,440
um just uh just a word of gratefulness

2148
01:30:54,229 --> 01:30:51,420
and and

2149
01:30:56,649 --> 01:30:54,239
um thanks for everybody uh helping me do

2150
01:31:00,610 --> 01:30:56,659
this so yeah

2151
01:31:06,770 --> 01:31:04,030
yeah I mean it's exciting that you guys

2152
01:31:09,470 --> 01:31:06,780
we're all doing our own thing and it's

2153
01:31:13,310 --> 01:31:10,790
it's great

2154
01:31:16,930 --> 01:31:13,320
it's beautiful yeah that's when you're

2155
01:31:19,669 --> 01:31:16,940
doing it alone yeah yeah yeah

2156
01:31:23,330 --> 01:31:19,679
good people are doing good things here

2157
01:31:26,689 --> 01:31:23,340
thank God yeah I feel like this has been

2158
01:31:28,310 --> 01:31:26,699
like my my favorite year yet in a lot of

2159
01:31:32,030 --> 01:31:28,320
ways and I've and it has a lot to do

2160
01:31:35,270 --> 01:31:32,040
with all of you and you know I like our

2161
01:31:38,450 --> 01:31:35,280
wider community and the support that

2162
01:31:41,149 --> 01:31:38,460
that we've all given each other and it

2163
01:31:42,530 --> 01:31:41,159
is it's allowed me I feel like like Sean

2164
01:31:45,830 --> 01:31:42,540
was saying like you all were saying in

2165
01:31:48,530 --> 01:31:45,840
terms of of just living more

2166
01:31:52,189 --> 01:31:48,540
authentically in a lot of ways and kind

2167
01:31:55,370 --> 01:31:52,199
of like moving towards a more

2168
01:32:00,709 --> 01:31:55,380
you know self-realized and authentic

2169
01:32:04,790 --> 01:32:00,719
um and forward-facing uh uh uh work

2170
01:32:06,590 --> 01:32:04,800
career life all of that and and yeah so

2171
01:32:08,510 --> 01:32:06,600
thank all of you thanks thanks everyone

2172
01:32:11,870 --> 01:32:08,520
in the chat

2173
01:32:14,270 --> 01:32:11,880
um thanks to the family as well and uh I

2174
01:32:17,330 --> 01:32:14,280
hope I hope you all have wonderful happy

2175
01:32:20,750 --> 01:32:17,340
holidays uh with your loved ones I hope

2176
01:32:23,330 --> 01:32:20,760
that uh for those of you that are going

2177
01:32:25,790 --> 01:32:23,340
to be uh uh

2178
01:32:28,189 --> 01:32:25,800
uh alone for the holidays because of the

2179
01:32:30,050 --> 01:32:28,199
weather or for whatever reason

2180
01:32:31,550 --> 01:32:30,060
um I I hope that you find wonderful

2181
01:32:34,610 --> 01:32:31,560
things to do over the course of the next

2182
01:32:37,250 --> 01:32:34,620
couple weeks and I hope to see all of

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you uh in the year ahead

2184
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so here next year absolutely 100 years

2185
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to 2023. we'll see you guys next time

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all right absolutely peace have a good

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foreign

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